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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by InvertedRhodium » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:25 AM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #70

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #59

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While I agree that the other poster was being a bit dramatic, it's no stretch to say that California performs objectively poorer in a number of areas that people tend to pay attention to. Just take one crime - the murder rates in California are 4.3 per 100,000 and only 0.8 in Australia. I can see why some people could see a 450% increase in the likelihood of being murdered as a comparitive warzone.

Looks like (from a quick googling, may be something I'm not taking into account here) violent crime is actually more common in Australia than in California. Australia 692 violent assaults per 100k [1] California 430 assaults per 100k [2] So, you'd also be trading more of a rare really bad thing for less of a relatively common bad thing. 1 - https://www.osac.gov/Country/Australia/Content/Detail/Report... . 2 - https:/…

An obvious flaw is that it's comparing an entire country to a singular (and disporoprotionately wealthy) state. If you expanded the rate to America in general the violent crime rate is around 800 per 100k, and if you reduced "Australia" to "New South Wales" then you also see a similar drop - but the site doesn't provide an easy to consume summary.

The web app doesn't seem to support direct linking to query results, but it's in here: http://crimetool.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/bocsar/ under Assault - Non Domestic.

At the end of the day though - people tend to consider being murdered a significantly more disruptive event than getting punched in the face.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by 0xy » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:27 AM UTC

shric wrote: post #4

> Switzerland $95,753 Australia $85,167 Denmark $73,017 United States $71,858 This is a bit misleading taken at face value as the US has loads of smaller cities with far lower cost of living whereas almost all of Australia's software jobs are in Sydney, Melbourne and smaller capitals. The Silicon Valley wages are at least twice as good as Sydney and nowhere near a proportional cost of living increase.

Twice as good? It can be 3x or more. A senior at a top global company in Sydney can make AUD$200k (USD$154k), where a senior in Silicon Valley can make USD$350k+. Additionally, the US has levels above senior that Australia simply doesn't have, or has very little of.

Silicon Valley pays USD$500k to staff engineers. CTOs for relatively large companies in Australia don't make that kind of money.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by jay_kyburz » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:29 AM UTC

shric wrote: post #48

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #36

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> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

This, and Google in Sydney vs London for the same role certainly does not pay 5-7x. Sydney L5 SWE is around 300-350K AUD total comp. If an L5 SWE in London gets 1.5M I'll eat my hat :)

Do you know how much of that comp is actual cash and super?

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by InvertedRhodium » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:29 AM UTC

aesthethiccs wrote: post #75

Niksko wrote: post #52

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There are plenty of places that aren't California that still pay double or triple the salary that devs make in Australia

that's cool but you can't fix all the problems in usa with triple salary. > healthcare > unlimited homelessness, in one day in la i saw more homelessness people then in my entire life in australia, this was only eclipsed by san fran. now i get why devs are leaving california, i wouldn't raise a family there. > gun violence > political instability > terrible pre-12 education system. > general shitty american populatio…

> > gun violence > political instability > terrible pre-12 education system. > general shitty american population (why d

Well, one of these things is most definitely not like the others.

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Post by deminature » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:30 AM UTC

s5300 wrote: post #42

SilverRed wrote: post #24

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>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

Market St in SF is what most Australians see when attending conferences. The homelessness, human waste, open drug use, and visibly serious mental illness is pretty confronting for anyone not used to it, and that's at daytime - it gets significantly scarier at night if you make the mistake of walking back to your hotel. I've never understood why all the hotels international guests stay in are in by far the worst neighborhood.

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Post by deviation » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:31 AM UTC

a-dub wrote: post #57

"australian developers score the highest on coding tests administered by companies in new zealand that refer to all software development as IT and are most popular amongst people who run windows and work for IT outsourcing companies like thoughtworks" - should be the title. australians actually do cool stuff, they invented and commercialized the cochlear implant! as mentioned in comments here though, a lot i think ge…

As a ThoughtWorker I can confirm that the IT space here is pretty heavily influenced by strong coding principals. The quality of work I do on a day-to-day basis is under high (but very open and friendly) scrutiny that I've learned to love.

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Post by bbromhead » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:31 AM UTC

This comment is super flagrant self promotion, but if you are an Australian developer who wants to stay in Australia and work at a scale only usually available in the US.

Check out https://www.instaclustr.com/careers

We work with companies like Doordash, Atlassian, Sonos and Dream 11 running some of their most important databases at massive scale.. and these are just the ones we can mention.

On top of that we are in Canberra :) Though if you wanna stay in Sydney or Melbourne that's cool to!

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Post by justatdotin » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:31 AM UTC

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #33

bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

> Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. What's the definition of 'good use' here? I've had plenty of offers to go work in the US but have always chosen to remain closer to my family and maintain an enjoyable work/life balance while still being able to travel internationally for projects as required. I'd consider that an excellent use of my skills, though I admit a ce…

> good use

uber, but for dogs

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by InvertedRhodium » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

astrange wrote: post #73

shric wrote: post #69

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AU FAANG pay for health insurance too.

I was actually just looking at this and our benefits in AU seem to be A$3000 a year allowance towards a private plan. That doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe it's enough.

I'd be inclined to bank the 3k/year and insure yourself - PHI in Australia is a borderline scam and half the time you'll end up in the public system anyway.

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Post by threeseed » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

astrange wrote: post #66

threeseed wrote: post #32

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Apart from Sydney having almost perfect weather and being one of the most stunning cities in the world there are the political aspects. Free healthcare, basically no gun crime, far less polarisation, more family friendly, far less homeless, a more successful multiculturalism environment, strong societal bonds i.e. we were able to get most of the country to agree to large scale lockdowns and mask wearing. Mateship and…

US FAANG health insurance is better and cheaper than (Australian) Medicare, which doesn't cover dentists/therapists/psychiatrists/etc. Universal systems are of course better once you're too sick to keep your job. Also, Sydney's cost of living and housing crisis is apparently even worse than SV, though I don't understand how that's possible. We're very dedicated to making housing expensive here.

Dentists are covered by Medicare and are basically free (bulk billed).

And Sydney doesn't really have a housing crisis anymore than Manhattan does. It's just that people want to live inner city without having to pay for it. You can find plenty of reasonably priced property if you go further out.