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DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by haihaibye »

tac0_ wrote: post #27
bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

Melbourne based here and definitely agree with this. It's pretty hard to find a startup that's working on cutting edge stuff. Lack of VC funding here also doesn't help. The only thing Australians want to sink money into is real estate.

That's not really fair, they are also interested in banking and mining.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by s5300 »

SilverRed wrote: post #24
bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Where exactly is this war zone in California...?

Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my paragliding ocean bluffs overpacked with people. :P

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by zingar »

koyote wrote: post #39
shric wrote: post #4

> Switzerland $95,753 Australia $85,167 Denmark $73,017 United States $71,858 This is a bit misleading taken at face value as the US has loads of smaller cities with far lower cost of living whereas almost all of Australia's software jobs are in Sydney, Melbourne and smaller capitals. The Silicon Valley wages are at least twice as good as Sydney and nowhere near a proportional cost of living increase.

Those salary numbers seem a bit wrong in general. The UK value translates to just above £29k as an average annual salary. That might just about be an average annual new graduate starting salary across the whole of the UK, but even there it seems low. In terms of all software engineers it is most definitely off by several grand.

I consider myself low on the software engineer scale (there are other perks to my job) but my salary is double that in London.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#45

Post by yoz-y »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #36
emdowling wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn’t agree with this post more. I left Australia 6 years ago and work for a FAANG earning 5x-7x in London than I would in Australia as a PM. Most Australian tech companies are mundane and boring. They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good.

> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

I guess if you plan to retire early and come back then earning a lot of money makes sense. Personally, the comments make me rather want to relocate to Australia.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

s5300 wrote: post #42
SilverRed wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by [deleted] »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #36
emdowling wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn’t agree with this post more. I left Australia 6 years ago and work for a FAANG earning 5x-7x in London than I would in Australia as a PM. Most Australian tech companies are mundane and boring. They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good.

> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#48

Post by shric »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #36
emdowling wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn’t agree with this post more. I left Australia 6 years ago and work for a FAANG earning 5x-7x in London than I would in Australia as a PM. Most Australian tech companies are mundane and boring. They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good.

> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

This, and Google in Sydney vs London for the same role certainly does not pay 5-7x. Sydney L5 SWE is around 300-350K AUD total comp. If an L5 SWE in London gets 1.5M I'll eat my hat :)

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by sgloutnikov »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #3
sandreas wrote: post #2

Did you miss Bulgaria with its 91%?

Unless I missed something, Australia was at 93%

Either the map is wrong which has Bulgaria at 91.21% or the chart below the map is wrong which does not have it listed.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by tac0_ »

haihaibye wrote: post #41
tac0_ wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Melbourne based here and definitely agree with this. It's pretty hard to find a startup that's working on cutting edge stuff. Lack of VC funding here also doesn't help. The only thing Australians want to sink money into is real estate.

That's not really fair, they are also interested in banking and mining.

ahhh yup of course. Also chuck in some BNPL stocks into the mix now as well.
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