Coinbase from YC to DPO
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Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#722Fun trivia: Brian Armstrong was looking for a co-founder on HN back in 2012: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3754664
Credit to him for following through with his vision, and standing his ground in his replies to all the comments in that thread. Looking back now, it's certainly evidence of a group bias and the "If the opportunity was that great, X company would be doing it by now" way of thinking. Props are owed for bringing some true innovation to the space. I'd love to know how this turned out. Did he eventually find a co-founder?…
IIRC, he did - they met on Reddit.
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#723Main difference: Instead of ETFs, you buy the different crypto coins.
The similarities are actually extensive:
1. People go to Coinbase mainly to invest their money. Sure, maybe, one day, in the distant future, perhaps, coins will be used for commercial purposes; but now and in the foreseeable future they are investment (speculation) vehicles
2. Vanguard has a direct relationship with consumers; you can open an account, wire money, and buy Vanguard funds. Same with Coinbase (and not the case with stock exchanges as some have suggested)
3. There is a certain amount of trust in the brand that makes people want to buy the funds/assets or wire their money to these brands. But that has limited power (see point below)
4. Vanguard's products are commodities, just like crypto coins are (you can buy the same bitcoin in many places, and you can buy essentially the same S&P 500 ETF from many platforms)
The difference is that Vanguard is successful thanks to a focus on low cost funds; Coinbase still rides first movers advantage. But inevitably it'll have to compete on cost.
Vanguard is managing $6+ T of actual assets; that's many times the total market cap of all cryptos.
And now here's the question: if they had the same valuation, would you put your money on Vanguard or Coinbase?
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#724It's a tiny bit pedantic, but the Coinbase offering today was not actually an IPO, I learned, but a DPO (Direct Public Offering). It was not a fundraising event for Coinbase, only a liquidity event for shareholders, and unlike an IPO no explicit valuation process occurred to select an offering price.
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#725Fun trivia: Brian Armstrong was looking for a co-founder on HN back in 2012: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3754664
But what I find interesting is that his vision was way off- crypto is nowhere near replacing credit cards, now or in the future.
But he did build a huge company because crypto became a speculative asset bubble instead.
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#726Coinbase is actually like Vanguard. It offers "investment funds". Main difference: Instead of ETFs, you buy the different crypto coins. The similarities are actually extensive: 1. People go to Coinbase mainly to invest their money. Sure, maybe, one day, in the distant future, perhaps, coins will be used for commercial purposes; but now and in the foreseeable future they are investment (speculation) vehicles 2. Vangua…
Well, 3 times more.
>And now here's the question: if they had the same valuation, would you put your money on Vanguard or Coinbase?
Depends on what the bet is. For growth of stock price? Obviously coinbase. The company that is more likely to last another hundred years? Probably Vanguard.
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#727Anyone know if the 60 employees, who didn't agree with the mission focused approach, kept their shares? https://blog.coinbase.com/a-follow-up-to-coinbase-as-a-missi...
In the wake of the George Floyd killing last summer, it became virtually obligatory for every large corporation to proclaim support for the #BlackLivesMatter agenda even though many, if not most, had never previously evinced the slightest interest in questions of racial justice or policing.
One of the very few companies that refused to do so was the Silicon Valley-based cryptocurrency exchange platform called Coinbase — which announced that it would remain apolitical and not involve itself in partisan debates or causes of social justice unrelated to its core business mission. When announcing that policy of political neutrality, the company’s co-founder Brian Armstrong explained that “the reason is that while I think these efforts are well intentioned, they have the potential to destroy a lot of value at most companies, both by being a distraction, and by creating internal division.” That once-anodyne announcement — to stay out of politics as a corporate entity — produced instant backlash. And exactly two months after, the notoriously censorious and politicized “tech reporters” of The New York Times punished the company for its heresy of neutrality with a lengthy article depicting Coinbase as a bastion of racism and toxic bigotry (the company was also savaged by journalists because of its audacity to reveal and respond to the NYT’s allegations in advance of the paper’s decision to publish).
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#728Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just FYI, that's just a theory, and in the decade since his book was published, there have been several rebuttals and refutations pointing out that this theoretical mechanism doesn't match the empirical data. https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2016/wp16160.pdf > Using a sample of 19 advanced economies spanning over 30 years, I find no empirical evidence that dynamics move in the way Piketty suggests. Results are…
Thanks for sharing, I was unaware of that. Capital > labor, still. But I guess not as badly as I thought.
https://taxfoundation.org/labor-share-net-income-within-hist...
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#729Fun trivia: Brian Armstrong was looking for a co-founder on HN back in 2012: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3754664
Amazing to see. But what I find interesting is that his vision was way off- crypto is nowhere near replacing credit cards, now or in the future. But he did build a huge company because crypto became a speculative asset bubble instead.
Similar for the so called 'tech bubble' around the start of the millennium: if you bought all the tech stocks back then and held them until today, you would have made an OK return.
(Of course, many companies have gone out of business, but there were a few outsized winners to make up for it.
Any individual tech stock was extremely risky, but the overall sentiment that 'tech is the future' was right on the money.
If anything, it's not the high valuations of the 'dot-com bubble' that seem off, but the low valuations of the bust.
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#730Earlier quoted context omitted.
Global wealth is $400T. All crypto currency combined is worth about ~$2T at this point. So to store 0.5% of the world's wealth, we are using 0.6% of the world's energy. Banks obviously don't use anywhere near this much energy. Bitcoin is estimated to use more energy than all other server farms put together. So we are using 0.6% of the world's energy to store 0.5% of the world's wealth. And Doesn't seem like the ideal…
> So to store 0.5% of the world's wealth, we are using 0.6% of the world's energy. It's even worse in terms of energy per transaction.