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China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Post by dang »

felle_realist wrote: post #204
vict7 wrote: post #187

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Identify politics has been on the rise for a long time. The right heavily contribute to identity politics. See: openly racist GQP leaders, transgender bathroom ban, mexican "caravans" conveniently appearing in the news around election time, satanic panic, homophobia, muslim ban, "Kung flu". In no way can you place the blame for the rise of identity politics squarely on progressives. I get the feeling that most people…

I do not "blame" the rise of identity politics on anyone, I merely point out that it has been taken up by many people who consider themselves to be "progressive" and that it, in combination with the adoption of critical theory - specifically the practice of "deconstruction" - leads to a witches brew of regressive and destructive ideologies.

It looks like you've created a new account to do ideological battle on HN. That's not what this site is for, so I've banned it. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you want to use HN as intended and will follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Post by dang »

vict7 wrote: post #319
dang wrote: post #312

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Please don't use HN for political or ideological battle. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we ban accounts that do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Understood. I will refrain. Is there something about my comment that's more political than the ones above it? Like I guess I used a lot of buzzwords instead of vague political terms.

I don't know—we can't come close to seeing all the comments. If there are specific posts that you think should have been moderated, you can always let us know. But when a post hasn't been moderated, it doesn't follow that we must somehow approve of it—that's a big non sequitur!

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Post by newdude116 »

shatnersbassoon wrote: post #321
newdude116 wrote: post #243

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Africa was never a major theater. Landing in the Normandy was in 44 (?). The war was lost in 42. For starters: http://www.fallen.io/ww2/ Start at 4:45

Like I said, the number of deaths is not a good measure of contribution towards actual defeat. Sending punishment battalions to die in their hundreds of thousands was a Soviet choice, and not a good one. Allowing millions of men to be encircled in 1941 was Soviet incompetence. Likewise, sending men into battle unarmed was Soviet callousness. Africa absolutely was a major theatre. The defeat of the Axis in Libya and T…

9 out of 10 German soldiers died in the East...

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Post by the_dune_13 »

BigW1lly wrote: post #227
ceilingcorner wrote: post #77

On an optimistic note, I am not convinced that China is going to win any cultural wars. America, for all its problems, still is essentially a leader for much of the developing world, at least in terms of culture. People watch American shows, know American celebrities, listen to American music, etc. This is facilitated by the fact that these cultural elements are pretty diverse and are open to immigrants. As in, a guy…

I'd say Korea is actually winning the cultural war. K-pop has taken the world by storm. Hollywood is in decline, if you'll notice, good movies are harder to come by nowadays.

> Hollywood is in decline, if you'll notice, good movies are harder to come by nowadays.

Are you sure about that? It sounds like a deeply biased statement.

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Post by twobitshifter »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #77

On an optimistic note, I am not convinced that China is going to win any cultural wars. America, for all its problems, still is essentially a leader for much of the developing world, at least in terms of culture. People watch American shows, know American celebrities, listen to American music, etc. This is facilitated by the fact that these cultural elements are pretty diverse and are open to immigrants. As in, a guy…

I think China does have large media influence over the rest of the Asian continent today. The epic miniseries produced in China are translated and enjoyed by people throughout SEA. I wouldn’t instantly expect it to show up everywhere in the developing world, but in the SEA it’s definitely there.

Despite the love of the miniseries, most people in SEA are not dreaming of being Chinese (which is of course an impossibility.) The advantage of the US may be our comparatively relaxed immigration laws.

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Post by gher-shyu3i »

KaiserPro wrote: post #324
gher-shyu3i wrote: post #167

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Counter point: Islamic empires until the Ottoman empire collapse post WWI. They flourished, yet were not "progressive" in the modern Western sense of the word.

I don't think thats a counter point! Depending on which time frame you are talking about, the ottoman empire was a cosmopolitan fairly free empire. There was freedom of religion (of sorts, there was a tithe.) and a civil law system that appeared to have some semblance of working for the lay man. If you compare the treatment of jews in venice, parts of the ottoman empire were a haven. Spain's loss was the ottoman's ga…

That's why I said they were not "progressive" in the modern Western sense. Islam is able to perfectly accommodate different cultures, and lead the host society to prosperity.

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Post by twobitshifter »

hohohmm wrote: post #100

Wrong. China is not betting on it, rather the US is betting that China is betting on it, to poise China in an adversary role. China has plenty of its own problems to mind and its road to mondernization is far from over. It's the US that's in question. Why is it fussing over China so much? Why not mind its own business? Why blame everything on China when the US could spend the time improving lives for its own citizens…

China has absurd outlandish reactions to anyone whispering Taiwan, or saying a single negative thing, and you think the US is the one that is “red-eyed”?

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Post by blub »

dang wrote: post #310
blub wrote: post #250

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Judging by the race turmoil in the West, being an ethnostate is the only sane thing to do. China's taking care of China and the Chinese, while the West are busy repenting for the crimes that happened hundreds of years ago. And as you've noticed yourself, China's happy to manipulate Hollywood into publishing what they want, no need to create their own.

Flamewar comments like this will get you banned here. It's not what the site is for. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to warn you about this multiple times before. That's seriously not cool, and if you keep doing it we will ban you.

I see my comment was flagged and I can't help but think that way too many on HN interpret comments on nationality and race in the worst possible light.

One can't have any meaningful discussion on HN about several political topics because the corridor of acceptable opinion is restricted to essentially the US and to some extent WE mainstream.

Anyway, after ~three strikes in ~11 years I think it's time I took a break on my own initiative because HN and the kind of news and discussions here don't offer anything positive for me any more.

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Post by SergeAx »

the_dune_13 wrote: post #334
BigW1lly wrote: post #227

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I'd say Korea is actually winning the cultural war. K-pop has taken the world by storm. Hollywood is in decline, if you'll notice, good movies are harder to come by nowadays.

> Hollywood is in decline, if you'll notice, good movies are harder to come by nowadays. Are you sure about that? It sounds like a deeply biased statement.

Check out IMDb top movies by rating. There are about 5 or 6 of them from 2010-2020, and half of that number are actually pretty bad comic adaptations, getting their rating from wide fan base.

Big Hollywood is repeating itself, stakes are too high to embrace creativity, investors want a rock-solid path to success. Netflix is making uninteresting synthetic data-driven content. HBO made a stake on soft porn.

Author/independent movies are on decline too. Look at this year Oscar nominees: how much of them you feel you really should to watch?

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Post by bumby »

newdude116 wrote: post #333
shatnersbassoon wrote: post #321

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Like I said, the number of deaths is not a good measure of contribution towards actual defeat. Sending punishment battalions to die in their hundreds of thousands was a Soviet choice, and not a good one. Allowing millions of men to be encircled in 1941 was Soviet incompetence. Likewise, sending men into battle unarmed was Soviet callousness. Africa absolutely was a major theatre. The defeat of the Axis in Libya and T…

9 out of 10 German soldiers died in the East...

And the US leaders used the metric of more dead Vietnamese than Americans as proof they were winning the war. They literally created the term “The McNamara Fallacy” because it’s a poor metric of success.
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