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Funds like this can be frozen when 51% of mining pools start censoring transactions. Pools are now beginning to do this. I expect there will be a lot of BTC like this that starts to realise they need to be trying to dump it / escape into monero as quickly as they can

There's a difference between pools not accepting txs in their mempool, and pools refusing to build on other miners' blocks that contain them. Pools are beginning to do the former (which doesn't cost them), not the latter (which would cost them dearly). Only if a majority of hashpower does the latter will censoring be effective (and then no longer cost them again).

Of course they can't start orphaning blocks yet, but they can once it is more popular. It wouldnt take much government pressure, obviously governments will want to stop people from processing illegal transactions, and miners won't care

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#113

Are they tryin' to send some sort of subtle signal, given the Coinbase listing today? :)

The timing is awfully coincidental.

Considering the whole thing was ... what? 2016? It really is.-

(Maybe their are tryin' to get "some" shares ... :)

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#114
post #71

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Actually, some people do. There are tools like EuroBillTracker ( https://en.eurobilltracker.com/ ) where you can enter the serial number of bills that you received and can watch them travel around the world. If someone else tracks them as well, that is. I entered 31 serial numbers over the last 15 years. Those haven't been seen again so far. I guess it's not the right kind of game for me... :)

I played with Where's George? for a few minutes, then got bored. None of these things seem to have enough adoption to make it interesting. If there were money in it, someone would throw OCR at the problem. Say, attach prizes to certain bills, or finding certain patterns of bills (say, two bills whose serial numbers are mathematically related a certain way).

If a government wanted to encourage spending, they could turn the lottery inside out by offering payouts on cash being spent by everyone. You take a picture of your money and if the serial number is today's lucky winner you get $1MM. Though maybe that would encourage hoarding instead? Cobra effect perhaps?

Re: $7.5B In Stolen Bitcoin from 2016 Bitfinex Hack has just been moved

#115
post #21

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That's an interesting angle to cash out... just start sending to 1,000s of addresses - who's to say which addresses are owned by the criminals, and which are owned by other people? They'd get less than cashing it all out themselves obviously, but it would take forever to unravel what actually happened (if possible ever)

They could just setup their own Bitcoin tumbler

Tumbling on bitcoin doesn't work like it used to a few years ago. There are now multiple companies dedicated to blockchain tracking and analysis. All coins coming from tumblers are flagged. It's possible because the bitcoin blockchain is public and every balance and transaction is visible to the whole world.

Many exchanges refuse to accept coins that have passed through a tumbler. If you attempt to deposit these coins, the exchange will refuse to credit you unless you provide copious amounts of documentation. Currently they do not seize your coins but will force you to withdraw them.

Some exchanges are even going through users' deposit histories and are retroactively flagging deposits from coin mixing services: https://twitter.com/kristapsk/status/1374336620158140419

This is why many criminals are moving away from Bitcoin into Monero, which has anonymized transactions and doesn't suffer from the chain analysis problem.

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#118
post #96
post #8

Here’s an interesting question — if you receive BTC from one of these addresses as payment for something, do you refuse it? You know it’s stolen and you might worry someone else who you might pay in the future would be able to track down that it’s stolen, so do you ask for “clean” BTC that isn’t linked to known theft? I don’t necessarily know the answer here. This is something that you can’t do with paper bills

I work at a distributed exchange and we have a blacklist. if funds are sent in from an address that's blacklisted we hold it and don't send them the other half. I don't know what the business does with those coins after that but there is a compliance team so I assume it's properly handled.

What stops them from just sending it to an intermediate address first?

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post #67
post #58

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What politicians accept Bitcoin as donations?

I think whole bunch of them do, Eric Swalwell accepts like 6 of them.

Wasn't that the one associated with a known CCP spy? https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df...

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#120

“Stolen” This is Bitfinex we’re talking about. It’s a company run by criminals.

Fun little reminder that when Bitfinex was "hacked" they took a 36% haircut, if memory serves, from all account holders, in all assets -- not just Bitcoin. [1]

Except for one account. Coinbase. [2]

They then issued tokens to all the accounts they skimmed, valued at $1 each redeemable for shares in Bitfinex. They effectively converted a $72 million dollar theft (at the time) into a $72 million dollar valuation for Bitfinex.

One of their executives, Giancarlo, was recorded telling token holders the best way to get their money back was to sell their shares to other people before they realized. [3]

> “The fastest way to get paid back, is to convert debt to shares and then sell your shares to another shareholder”.

These people run Tether.

This is the true magic of cryptocurrency.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitfinex-hacked-hongkong-...

[2] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2019/10/28/tether-and-bitfinex/

[3] https://medium.com/@bitfinexed/bitfinex-never-repaid-their-t...

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