Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably hyperbole, but I assume OP is implying they lose the cable between charges due to infrequent use.
Are we implying the battery life is so good that one only needs to be charged once every long often? Otherwise, how cluttered are you to lose a cable every time in between charges? Stick it in a drawer with all of the other ones. Just seems like a really weak strawman
Ten years of OP-1
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Re: Ten years of OP-1
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry for the meta-discussion (which I know is against the guidelines), but I'm finding it really hard to respond kindly to your comment, given the overarching tone ("no respect", "hard to swallow", sarcasm about parts, "shitty pricing"). I'd love to engage with you on the merits of pricing for what the market will bear, CoGS including software and craftsmanship, etc, but I am not able. Perhaps that's my failing, but…
If my tone comes off as "acerbic", I guess I'm a little surprised. I love Teenage Engineering (and own a few Pocket Operators too), but I gotta call them out on the pricing issue here. When the price of the OP-1 did start to skyrocket in 2012, Teenage Engineering said absolutely nothing, and then discontinued it in 2013, sending the secondhand market soaring again. Of course, their response is to put it back into pro…
> You can slice this any way you want, but there's not really an excuse for an all-digital synth to increase in price like that
Adjusting to market bearing price seems like a good excuse to me.
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably hyperbole, but I assume OP is implying they lose the cable between charges due to infrequent use.
I have literally bought mini-usb cables on 3 different occasions to use my OP-1. I lose them all the time, as I have about a thousand (no joke) USB cables and 3-5 mini-USB among them. I bought 20x mini-USB as my new mobile phone uses it now and I didn't want to keep not finding them when I need them.
Otherwise I too would have lost them.
I typically don't keep older generation consoles around, but the original launch PS3 was a marvel for its time (despite being a relative flop compared to the Wii-360)
The original launch PS3 contained the hardware emotion engine, so it had 100% backward compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games. Later revisions removed the PS2 hardware, in favor of software emulation, and iirc, eventually backwards compatibility was removed all together.
It also supported Super Audio CD format as well, and before it was patched out, had the ability to dualboot Linux.
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
If my tone comes off as "acerbic", I guess I'm a little surprised. I love Teenage Engineering (and own a few Pocket Operators too), but I gotta call them out on the pricing issue here. When the price of the OP-1 did start to skyrocket in 2012, Teenage Engineering said absolutely nothing, and then discontinued it in 2013, sending the secondhand market soaring again. Of course, their response is to put it back into pro…
Why do you think the BOM cost should have any relation to the selling price? > You can slice this any way you want, but there's not really an excuse for an all-digital synth to increase in price like that Adjusting to market bearing price seems like a good excuse to me.
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry for the meta-discussion (which I know is against the guidelines), but I'm finding it really hard to respond kindly to your comment, given the overarching tone ("no respect", "hard to swallow", sarcasm about parts, "shitty pricing"). I'd love to engage with you on the merits of pricing for what the market will bear, CoGS including software and craftsmanship, etc, but I am not able. Perhaps that's my failing, but…
I've no problem with a company pricing a product to be what the market will bear. However, Teenage Engineering claiming they were jacking the price due to "supply issues" is just insulting.
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, usually hobbyists don't buy professional gear since they are not professionals. Same goes for many other industries too (TV production cameras too expensive for hobbyists and so on). OP-1 is a tad expensive even for professional gear, but it is also a neat little machine. Elektron gear is maybe more powerful, but it also costs more. Cheaper gear exists as well. Up to each musician to decide what is too expens…
do you know any good hardware for hobbyists to get started?
1010Music Blackbox: http://1010music.com/
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think the BOM cost should have any relation to the selling price? > You can slice this any way you want, but there's not really an excuse for an all-digital synth to increase in price like that Adjusting to market bearing price seems like a good excuse to me.
Whatever justifies it for you. For every extra dollar they eke out of bougie hipster, they ostracize people like me who would definitely buy one if it was $500 or $600
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#78Teenage Engineering is a frustrating company. On the one hand, they set out to create some of the most fun music equipment you can own: their Pocket Operator line is awesome for beginners of the hardware world, and they've consistently innovated with their grooveboxes. The problem? They have absolutely no respect for their pricing model. The OP-1 used to cost $800, which was already a big ask for a microprocessor, OL…
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry for the meta-discussion (which I know is against the guidelines), but I'm finding it really hard to respond kindly to your comment, given the overarching tone ("no respect", "hard to swallow", sarcasm about parts, "shitty pricing"). I'd love to engage with you on the merits of pricing for what the market will bear, CoGS including software and craftsmanship, etc, but I am not able. Perhaps that's my failing, but…
If my tone comes off as "acerbic", I guess I'm a little surprised. I love Teenage Engineering (and own a few Pocket Operators too), but I gotta call them out on the pricing issue here. When the price of the OP-1 did start to skyrocket in 2012, Teenage Engineering said absolutely nothing, and then discontinued it in 2013, sending the secondhand market soaring again. Of course, their response is to put it back into pro…
Re: Ten years of OP-1
#80Teenage Engineering is a frustrating company. On the one hand, they set out to create some of the most fun music equipment you can own: their Pocket Operator line is awesome for beginners of the hardware world, and they've consistently innovated with their grooveboxes. The problem? They have absolutely no respect for their pricing model. The OP-1 used to cost $800, which was already a big ask for a microprocessor, OL…