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Not sure about YC, but Andreessen-Horowitz seems to have made about $14B from their $2M investment? Assuming I'm reading this SEC filing correctly. And Union Square Ventures appears to have turned $13M into about $7B? https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1679788/000162828021...
I believe this is the proof why VCs chase those 10x numbers, I bet that that single investment has paid off all their failed investments and then some.
Coinbase from YC to DPO
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Did he? If he simply bought bitcoins with his $300.000 in 2012 (average bitcoin price of $8) then his net worth now would be .... 37500 bitcoins or $2.362.500.000 ... 2 point 3 billion frigging dollars...
In theory yes. In practice, cashing out billions of dollars worth of stocks is easier than cashing out billions of dollars worth of crypto.
I haven't looked at Coinbase stock liquidity, but I would be it is worse as BTC liquidity.
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#363This is pretty amazing. Gary Tan made a YT video about his experience backing them very early and getting a 6000x return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5YApjnTG10 It's remarkable that Brian Armstrong gave up what would have been very valuable options in Airbnb—the most valuable YC company at the time—to found a new company that surpassed it.
And in Brian had simply bought bitcoins with his $10.000 in 2012, when the price was $4-$12 per piece? He could have bought 833-2500 bitcoins, with a current value of $5.2500.000 - $157.500.000. He choose to do more than "HODL" and go through the hard work of building a product and a company, which in my book, makes him a true hero. Even though he went the casino/shitcoin rout later...
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#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bitcoin is the only cryptocurrency that is very hard to change. This property is critical for sound money, including for the emission schedule. Other coins are easy to change and so cannot be relied upon to preserve any properties, including emission schedule. Vast majority of coins is also not decentralized at all and being so prone to get effectively regulated.
This is just plain incorrect. Every cryptocurrency's rules can be changed via hard fork. Bitcoin doesn't have any magic property that guarantees there won't be a hard fork affecting the emission schedule.
Bitcoin is hard to change the similar way TCP/IP protocol stack is hard to change.
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#366Right now Coinbase is trading around 350 making it worth about 100B, the total value of bitcoin is about 1.000B and all cryptocurrencies that are tradeable on Coinbase is maybe 1.500B. So the ratio between the value of the exchange is about 1/10 - 1/15 of the total value of the market it trades. (For comparison take say Interactive Broker's market value to the market value of the total stock market.) And Coinbase far…
With that said, I think they are overvalued at $100B. Not because of the total market cap size of crypto, but because their revenue doesn't justify a valuation that high.
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#367Anyone know if the 60 employees, who didn't agree with the mission focused approach, kept their shares? https://blog.coinbase.com/a-follow-up-to-coinbase-as-a-missi...
They had the option to exercise whatever options they had vested, yes, subject to the company's normal rules. Employees who had been with the company two years or more would have seven years to exercise. Those who had been there between one and two years would have 90 days. Employees who had not yet been there a year would not have reached the vesting cliff, and would not have had vested options available to exercise…
Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO
#368Right now Coinbase is trading around 350 making it worth about 100B, the total value of bitcoin is about 1.000B and all cryptocurrencies that are tradeable on Coinbase is maybe 1.500B. So the ratio between the value of the exchange is about 1/10 - 1/15 of the total value of the market it trades. (For comparison take say Interactive Broker's market value to the market value of the total stock market.) And Coinbase far…
It's not even nearly the biggest exchange! Binance trades 10x the volume, so if Coinbase is worth 1/10 of the crypto market, is Binance worth 1x the crypto market?
However for crypto exchanges ... well ... what is going on here?
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#369It's a tiny bit pedantic, but the Coinbase offering today was not actually an IPO, I learned, but a DPO (Direct Public Offering). It was not a fundraising event for Coinbase, only a liquidity event for shareholders, and unlike an IPO no explicit valuation process occurred to select an offering price.
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#370I'm horrendously worried about crypto gaining more marketshare as long as proof of work crypto remains mainstream. It has significantly worse externalities than just about any company I can think of (including defense contractors/vaping companies), and, if it grows larger before we have clean energy, then we virtually guarantee we won't be able to tackle global warming. We are going to bestow a world that will be sig…
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