I had a family member do lambda school recently, they got an “apprentice software engineer” job immediately after graduation, and this is someone who probably would NOT have done well going to college. YMMV
Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes
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#122I’m not sure who this works is or why his seemingly shallow tweets are important to pay attention to. Can someone explain? Surely criticizing Lambda is far less useful than criticizing the university system, which provides far worse outcomes for far more money?
> Surely criticizing Lambda is far less useful than criticizing the university system, which provides far worse outcomes for far more money? You have to compare apples to apples. The university system encompasses far more than Lambda school. I think a fair comparison would be how well does the average person with a degree in CS or Software Engineering from a university do (or even maybe a community college so the tim…
and how do the people who drop out of a university with student loans but no degree do? If you drop out of lambda school, or even if you graduate but don’t make 50k / year in a tech job, you pay nothing.
Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes
#123So they are charging Oxford level tuition fees but it's it worth those prices? Do you get a similar recognition with your Lambda School paper/diploma? Assuming you need to pay the international Oxford fees.
Personally, I am not convinced it's worth it
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#124HN constantly attacks Tesla and Elon so you shouldn't be surprised. In fact, I've associated negative attacks from HN as an indicator that the company/person being attacked is probably doing something good.
HN is divided on divisive issues. It's that simple.
People overgeneralize about that because of cognitive bias: the bad (what you don't like) stands out more than the good (what you agree with). What's negative (to you) is what you're more likely to notice: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... That's why people with the opposite tastes make the opposite generalizations.
For every comment like yours ("constantly attacks Tesla and Elon") there's one of these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26506294 ("Musk fanboys and Tesla apologists").
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26803359.
Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes
#125HN constantly attacks Tesla and Elon so you shouldn't be surprised. In fact, I've associated negative attacks from HN as an indicator that the company/person being attacked is probably doing something good.
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Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes
#126Colleges are predatory, putting kids deep into debt that they may never be able to repay and can't even remove with bankruptcy. And said debt has exploded in recent decades with no corresponding improvement in outcomes. Whereas Lambda aligns their interests with the student. If their students don't get a job, Lambda doesn't get paid. Why is a better model being attacked like this?
Peter Schiff said it best “these kids are graduating with a mortgage and no house”.
The average student loan debt at graduation is $30k [1]. That's very nice car money, not house money.
[1] https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-co...
Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
As opposed to how many students? This is very much true, you are a known, proven liar, and your 'bootcamp' is beyond predatory. You lie about placements, you lie about your number of instructors, I will take the word of every one of your students over the PR speak you spout repeatedly.
About 2,000 concurrent students. We are not profitable, so if it’s a scam it’s not a very good one. Nothing about Lambda School is predatory and I have never lied.
> Nothing about Lambda School is predatory
I think the PR vs actual results of Lambda is a big problem when a lot of complains on higher education are about the gap between the dream vision of what a degree does for you, vs reality. But fine. The complains about ISA are mostly unfair
> I have never lied
That's probably one of the things you should never say ever. People will find moments you were either not telling what turned out to be the truth, or were not accurate, and will paint you as totally dishonest.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you find lambda school to be predatory, then it's better to just provide evidence for that. I literally just cited three links full of examples.
You are the source of one of the articles citing the many things that Lambda School grads should know for a basic interview that we don’t teach. In the past I have offered a bounty for you to point out even a single one of those things and you have never been able to do so.
Yes, I was involved in 223 words of a 1,645 word article. I don't want to take full credit for those words; I showed your students' homework to two other senior iOS developers before commenting, to make sure I wasn't off base. They reached the same conclusions.
You're welcome ignore my sound bite, and focus on the other 87% of the article which shows a pattern of unethical behavior. For example, the screenshot where you publicly claimed a 100% hire rate in the UX program, knowing full well that only one student graduated.
As for your bounty, well, you blocked me before issuing it. You even quote tweeted me while I was blocked. Maybe that's why you didn't see me explain that student homework is publicly available on GitHub.
Rather than play games with bounties, why not let the results speak for themselves? Just void all the non-disclosure agreements you've pressured students into signing.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are the source of one of the articles citing the many things that Lambda School grads should know for a basic interview that we don’t teach. In the past I have offered a bounty for you to point out even a single one of those things and you have never been able to do so.
Yes, I was involved in 223 words of a 1,645 word article. I don't want to take full credit for those words; I showed your students' homework to two other senior iOS developers before commenting, to make sure I wasn't off base. They reached the same conclusions. You're welcome ignore my sound bite, and focus on the other 87% of the article which shows a pattern of unethical behavior. For example, the screenshot where…
Part of what our students do is visible on GitHub; until graduation some of it is not. Yet you went on the record stating that Lambda School doesn’t include very basic things in the curriculum and students aren’t qualified. You had no idea. Then students, who are qualified and battling with intense imposter syndrome, come to me terrified and doubting themselves because someone who has literally never seen the full curriculum is making stuff up about it on the record. Don’t you understand the harm you’re doing? Then you just ask me to ignore that fact? No, I will not. If you’re making stuff up out of whole cloth on the record once, why would you stop?
I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think?
So far in two anecdotes we have two incredibly misleading things pulled out to paint a picture of unethical behavior, and you cite as evidence for unethical behavior that very article. Doesn’t that give you pause?
Do you ever question your prior assumptions, especially after realizing you were wrong, or is it all pitchforks all the time?
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pair programming is the best way to learn so that's unfortunate.
I don't see as much benefit from pair programming if it involves two students and replaces being taught by an instructor.
Very much blind leading the blind leading the blind from my experience at the school