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Ten years of OP-1

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Re: Ten years of OP-1

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I use a Mac. I have a PlayStation AND a Switch, I can come up with reasons to buy almost every gadget imaginable, but no matter how lovely and enchanting the OP-1 is, €1121 is just too much for something that wouldn't make me more money (as my job is not in music production).

Grab a Novation Circuit, sounds like the perfect musical gadget for you.

Re: Ten years of OP-1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, usually hobbyists don't buy professional gear since they are not professionals. Same goes for many other industries too (TV production cameras too expensive for hobbyists and so on). OP-1 is a tad expensive even for professional gear, but it is also a neat little machine. Elektron gear is maybe more powerful, but it also costs more. Cheaper gear exists as well. Up to each musician to decide what is too expens…

do you know any good hardware for hobbyists to get started?

Stock up on Behringer gear. Haters will call you everything from cheap to anti-semetic, but their synths hold up just as good as some of the biggest contenders on the market.

Re: Ten years of OP-1

#63

Teenage Engineering is a frustrating company. On the one hand, they set out to create some of the most fun music equipment you can own: their Pocket Operator line is awesome for beginners of the hardware world, and they've consistently innovated with their grooveboxes. The problem? They have absolutely no respect for their pricing model. The OP-1 used to cost $800, which was already a big ask for a microprocessor, OL…

Sorry for the meta-discussion (which I know is against the guidelines), but I'm finding it really hard to respond kindly to your comment, given the overarching tone ("no respect", "hard to swallow", sarcasm about parts, "shitty pricing"). I'd love to engage with you on the merits of pricing for what the market will bear, CoGS including software and craftsmanship, etc, but I am not able. Perhaps that's my failing, but I'd like to encourage you to be less acerbic in the future.

Re: Ten years of OP-1

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Sure, Dan Deacon comes to mind. Most of the instruments he uses in his performances are smaller than a computer keyboard. Here's a picture he posted of his gear: https://twitter.com/ebaynetflix/status/442078506655023104/ph... In his NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert, you can see an OP-1 on the near-right of his table. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heFRwLfjVXI edit: I found a website which catalogs musicians and the equip…

I've never heard of Dan Deacon but I clicked the NPR set you linked above and man - what a treat! Thanks for sharing, friend!

You're welcome! Dan Deacon's music is fun, and I've heard that his concerts are a blast.

My favorite online presentation of his music is the collaborative video made by Adult Swim for the song "When I was Done Dying".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJqUvBj4rE

Re: Ten years of OP-1

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Teenage Engineering is a frustrating company. On the one hand, they set out to create some of the most fun music equipment you can own: their Pocket Operator line is awesome for beginners of the hardware world, and they've consistently innovated with their grooveboxes. The problem? They have absolutely no respect for their pricing model. The OP-1 used to cost $800, which was already a big ask for a microprocessor, OL…

Sorry for the meta-discussion (which I know is against the guidelines), but I'm finding it really hard to respond kindly to your comment, given the overarching tone ("no respect", "hard to swallow", sarcasm about parts, "shitty pricing"). I'd love to engage with you on the merits of pricing for what the market will bear, CoGS including software and craftsmanship, etc, but I am not able. Perhaps that's my failing, but…

If my tone comes off as "acerbic", I guess I'm a little surprised. I love Teenage Engineering (and own a few Pocket Operators too), but I gotta call them out on the pricing issue here. When the price of the OP-1 did start to skyrocket in 2012, Teenage Engineering said absolutely nothing, and then discontinued it in 2013, sending the secondhand market soaring again. Of course, their response is to put it back into production at a higher cost, for more customers. You can slice this any way you want, but there's not really an excuse for an all-digital synth to increase in price like that. I have no doubts that a simple redesign could bring the BOM down to sub-$200, even in 2015. Failing that, they could have taken the re-release as an opportunity to fix some of the issues in the original model: give it a sensible charging port, improve the microphone quality, or even improving the sample transfer software. None of these issues were ever addressed. The insult added to injury is the OP-Z, a "successor" that was designed to be inferior to it's predecessor, as not to cannibalize it's market.

Maybe I am hateful, but Teenage Engineering has definitely had a fall from grace. Even their recent modular kits left a bad taste in my mouth...

Re: Ten years of OP-1

#66
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Probably hyperbole, but I assume OP is implying they lose the cable between charges due to infrequent use.

I have literally bought mini-usb cables on 3 different occasions to use my OP-1. I lose them all the time, as I have about a thousand (no joke) USB cables and 3-5 mini-USB among them. I bought 20x mini-USB as my new mobile phone uses it now and I didn't want to keep not finding them when I need them.

This is why I bought dollar store plastic boxes for my cables and put them in specific categories. I have one box for microUSB, one for USB-C, one for mini, one for HDMI, etc. It's been great in reducing clutter and finding a cable.

Cables create tangled messes in a way that most things do not, and it's been great that my drawers are mostly free of cables now.

Re: Ten years of OP-1

#67
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, usually hobbyists don't buy professional gear since they are not professionals. Same goes for many other industries too (TV production cameras too expensive for hobbyists and so on). OP-1 is a tad expensive even for professional gear, but it is also a neat little machine. Elektron gear is maybe more powerful, but it also costs more. Cheaper gear exists as well. Up to each musician to decide what is too expens…

do you know any good hardware for hobbyists to get started?

Sure, iPad and Garageband.

Re: Ten years of OP-1

#68

Teenage Engineering is a frustrating company. On the one hand, they set out to create some of the most fun music equipment you can own: their Pocket Operator line is awesome for beginners of the hardware world, and they've consistently innovated with their grooveboxes. The problem? They have absolutely no respect for their pricing model. The OP-1 used to cost $800, which was already a big ask for a microprocessor, OL…

Sorry for the meta-discussion (which I know is against the guidelines), but I'm finding it really hard to respond kindly to your comment, given the overarching tone ("no respect", "hard to swallow", sarcasm about parts, "shitty pricing"). I'd love to engage with you on the merits of pricing for what the market will bear, CoGS including software and craftsmanship, etc, but I am not able. Perhaps that's my failing, but…

I've no problem with a company pricing a product to be what the market will bear.

However, Teenage Engineering claiming they were jacking the price due to "supply issues" is just insulting.

Re: Ten years of OP-1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably hyperbole, but I assume OP is implying they lose the cable between charges due to infrequent use.

Are we implying the battery life is so good that one only needs to be charged once every long often? Otherwise, how cluttered are you to lose a cable every time in between charges? Stick it in a drawer with all of the other ones. Just seems like a really weak strawman

In fact, the battery life really is good enough to cause this issue. Similar problem with Garmin watches and their proprietary cables.

Re: Ten years of OP-1

#70
The UI design on the OP-1 has to be up there with any number of great moments in industrial design.

The decision to remove the Rhodes piano sample pack from the default firmware, including for anyone who upgraded, has to be up there with one of the worst decisions in product management of all time.

Also, the disparity between models with clickable control knobs and unclickable knobs to this day makes me feel deeply uncomfortable.

May we find it in our hearts to forgive. If it weren’t for their genius we wouldn’t even have noticed these minuscule flaws. Happy Birthday :)

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