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Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Re: Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Post by darepublic »

RankingMember wrote: post #8
8fGTBjZxBcHq wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My perspective is that our technological advancement has well outpaced our ability to adapt to the changes or bring our legal and social tools effectively to bear on them. A decade or two of stagnation would be frustrating for those in the field but probably overall a good thing. Plus I don't think this would affect research at all so not even.

Agreed 100%. I appreciate the hacker mindset, but when things approach society-altering scale, "just because you can doesn't mean you should" should be the mantra, not "move fast and break things".

Reminds me of this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oNgyUAEv0Q&t=52s

That being said.. I don't trust the gov to decide what should be on the internet. I have to resist all attempts to do so, while acknowledging some gov suppression is probably beneficial. It's a duality and despite being no one side of it you can acknowledge the importance of the other side.

Re: Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Post by anticristi »

noshaker wrote: post #36
prof-dr-ir wrote: post #22

Does anybody have a link to the actual draft this article is based on? In my limited experience the proposals by the EU commission are often readable and interesting. I might not agree with them, but I do appreciate that the thought process is made public years before ideas become laws. (As the article states, that is also very much the expectation here.)

Here is the draft https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZaBPsfor_aHKNeeyXxk9uJfTru7...

Thanks! 81 pages and no executive summary?!?! I'm interested to read it, but this is likely to have the same effect as sleeping pills.

Re: Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Post by overscore »

shadowgovt wrote: post #10
mc32 wrote: post #4

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But, what good is technology for the sake of technology if it’s detrimental to people’s well-being? Technology to conquer ills, yes. Technology which alienates people, no. It’s kind of like the goths vs the romans or the inuit vs europeans. Is the value of progress more than the value of self-worth?

I'm more concerned about these two aspects of it from the reporting: > Experts said the rules were vague and contained loopholes. > The use of AI in the military is exempt, as are systems used by authorities in order to safeguard public security. Sounds like it's keyed to build stagnation in public tools, but state-actor tools can go right on ahead becoming more sophisticated (and harder to understand or predict).

There are almost always these exemptions for military/law enforcement use cases in EU Directives and Regulations, because while the constituent countries in the EU have miltary and law enforcement co-operation, they would veto new legislation that impacts their independence in those areas.

Re: Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Post by geraneum »

modeless wrote: post #48
goatcode wrote: post #40

>The use of AI in the military is exempt, as are systems used by authorities in order to safeguard public security. Of course.

The problem with government regulation of AI is that the biggest threat is government use of AI. Rules for thee but not for me!

Government (ab)use of AI is is of course a serious threat. But I’d say big corporations abuse of AI is even worse.

Assuming we are talking about a democratic state, at least there are some checks and balances on governments whereas people cannot elect a FAANG CEO or go to a ‘.gov’ website to read a transcript of board meetings.

Edit: I am by no means advocating for government’s use of AI in any form.

Re: Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Post by erik_seaberg »

ncallaway wrote: post #46
quotemstr wrote: post #14

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How do you know that these technologies are detrimental to people's well-being? Some activists claim that things like facial recognition, ad targeting, and personalized risk scoring are detrimental, but are these activists correct? I don't think so! All these technologies give us new capabilities and allow us to more precisely understand and shape the world. Every single time humanity has gained new abilities --- fro…

> There is no such thing as a net-negative technology Explain to me the benefits of a gatling gun, other than being a more effective tool for killing humans. Is all of humanity really better off for all those that have been killed by this invention? That's a lot of deaths that start out as a massive negative balance against. Tell me the overall improvement to society that the gatling gun brought us that was "worth" t…

Armies are smaller because drafting ten million half-trained teenagers to carry rifles is no longer the best way to win a war.

Re: Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Post by anticristi »

clownpenis_fart wrote: post #34
ThomPete wrote: post #30

the only outcome of this is that Europe will fall even further behind the US and China. How sad.

Since there have been and will be exactly zero useful ai application anytime soon other than bias laundering (aka "systematic discrimination is ok when a computer does it"), I think it's ok.

I share your concern: Train AI to reject CVs with "Ahmed" and accept CVs with "Smith". Then blame racial bias on the difficulty to explain DNN.

Re: Europe seeks to limit use of AI in society

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

keiferski wrote: post #2

Bonus points if they name the overseeing organization the Turing Police. And if Switzerland goes its own way and allows citizenship for AIs. In all seriousness, I’m not sure if these legal restrictions will actually be effective. They are too broad, vague, and will likely just result in technological stagnation.

> And if Switzerland goes its own way and allows citizenship for AIs.

I'm pretty sure not being a member of the EU, Switzerland will go its own way.

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