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Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by austenallred »

effingwewt wrote: post #108
austenallred wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have nearly 200 full-time employees including many, many instructors (not to mention contractors). This is just not true.

As opposed to how many students? This is very much true, you are a known, proven liar, and your 'bootcamp' is beyond predatory. You lie about placements, you lie about your number of instructors, I will take the word of every one of your students over the PR speak you spout repeatedly.

About 2,000 concurrent students.

We are not profitable, so if it’s a scam it’s not a very good one.

Nothing about Lambda School is predatory and I have never lied.

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by runno »

splistud wrote: post #99
runno wrote: post #83

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College debt will be forgiven in this administration, so you have to be really dumb to pay for Lambda school, which isn't backed by the government and isn't going to be forgiven. Lambda preys on the dumbest of the dumb, only dumb people are paying for school with their own money.

Here's another dumb thing: believing politicians that tell you what you want to hear.

I'm extremely skeptical of politicians. I give it a high probability chance of being forgiven, although I agree it's not a 100%. If it isn't, it will be inflated away through dollar devaluation and inflation. So, why would someone pay for their school and go to Lambda or have a high probability of school debt being forgiven going the traditional route? This isn't rocket science here. And your comment is quite insulting to assume that a commenter on HN would just 'believe' politicians or that I would want college debt forgiveness. I'm a libertarian. I don't want any bailouts, but I understand human nature and incentives so I know the bailout of college debt is coming.

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by runno »

luxuryballs wrote: post #63
seriousquestion wrote: post #7

Colleges are predatory, putting kids deep into debt that they may never be able to repay and can't even remove with bankruptcy. And said debt has exploded in recent decades with no corresponding improvement in outcomes. Whereas Lambda aligns their interests with the student. If their students don't get a job, Lambda doesn't get paid. Why is a better model being attacked like this?

Peter Schiff said it best “these kids are graduating with a mortgage and no house”.

Peter Schiff is a hero.

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by guru4consulting »

My friend is doing course in Lambda School.. occasionally asks for my help with some of the course work. Almost all of the Lambda school's sample code is terrible. They proudly claim that their bootcamp enables people from other trades (plumbers, janitors, etc) to become programmers. And their example data to teach the concept of array/index would look something like array=[1,2,3,4,5], index of 1 is 0, and index of 2 is 1. The concept of an index starting at zero is so native to regular programmers, but for someone who has done their first helloworld in their life, imagine the confusion caused by the above example code.

I get furious when looking at each of their examples. At some point, I advised my friend to dropout of course, but Lambda School has penalty of around $20k-$30 if she drops out in middle of course. I wish they either update their course to be beginner friendly, or just get banned for ruining the fun of learning programming.

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by sandofsky »

austenallred wrote: post #110
sandofsky wrote: post #109

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Again, you're trying to change the topic. We are not talking about colleges. We're talking about whether ISAs can fail, and they can. But to answer your question, I have two relatives that successfully discharged their student debt due to financial hardships. ISAs have no similar process, short of hiring a lawyer and hoping for the best.

We have a hardship process as well. If there were a way to design a perfect financial instrument we would - we get as close as we possibly can. You have to construct a chain of what-ifs to generate a scenario as bad as what is the default everywhere else (and it’s still better), yet you are constantly yelling about how evil we are. Perhaps just re-examine your priors?

Let's talk about some concrete evils, then.

How many students have you pressured into signing NDAs as part of your "hardship process"?

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by akanet »

austenallred wrote: post #107
sandofsky wrote: post #42

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> If you find lambda school to be predatory, then it's better to just provide evidence for that. I literally just cited three links full of examples.

You are the source of one of the articles citing the many things that Lambda School grads should know for a basic interview that we don’t teach. In the past I have offered a bounty for you to point out even a single one of those things and you have never been able to do so.

Austen unblock me on twitter. We can have an OTR chat about the current state of lambda. I promise none of it will be published if you don't want it to be.

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by austenallred »

akanet wrote: post #116
austenallred wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the source of one of the articles citing the many things that Lambda School grads should know for a basic interview that we don’t teach. In the past I have offered a bounty for you to point out even a single one of those things and you have never been able to do so.

Austen unblock me on twitter. We can have an OTR chat about the current state of lambda. I promise none of it will be published if you don't want it to be.

Sorry, you’ve lied too many times and misconstrued too many things. I don’t trust you and don’t believe you’re operating in good faith.

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by akanet »

austenallred wrote: post #117
akanet wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Austen unblock me on twitter. We can have an OTR chat about the current state of lambda. I promise none of it will be published if you don't want it to be.

Sorry, you’ve lied too many times and misconstrued too many things. I don’t trust you and don’t believe you’re operating in good faith.

I really haven't, maybe we can work out this misunderstanding. I think you really do need to hear a sincere perspective from the other side and I am happy to provide this for you privately. Reach out anytime!

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by chriselles »

I’ve had experience with both Lambda and Amazon.

Everyone working as an Associate in an Amazon distribution/fulfilment Center from 20 or more years ago would have accrued well over $5m in stock options and units today.

That’s for unskilled entry level work, at a much lower than current hourly wage, and assuming the stock wasn’t sold early(which it almost always was from my perspective).

Everyone attending Lambda has an opportunity to learn and up skill, but it is extremely rough and messy, much like Amazon’s early days.

Turnover/attrition for both Amazon and Lambda would be quite high.

So the dream is real, but the reality is considerable challenge.

Amazon’s full-time headcount growth is still extremely high(1.3m compared to 575k just 2 years ago).

Lambda has had a few students get hired by Amazon, so it’s in their best interest to link their brand to big tech brands.

People like sausages, but watching how sausages get made can be distasteful for some or many.

Re: Lambda School is a predatory bootcamp that lies about students outcomes

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Post by [deleted] »

sandofsky wrote: post #115
austenallred wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a hardship process as well. If there were a way to design a perfect financial instrument we would - we get as close as we possibly can. You have to construct a chain of what-ifs to generate a scenario as bad as what is the default everywhere else (and it’s still better), yet you are constantly yelling about how evil we are. Perhaps just re-examine your priors?

Let's talk about some concrete evils, then. How many students have you pressured into signing NDAs as part of your "hardship process"?

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