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EU Commission to end AstraZeneca and J&J vaccine contracts at expiry

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Re: EU Commission to end AstraZeneca and J&J vaccine contracts at expiry

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Post by krastanov »

hef19898 wrote: post #29
kube-system wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fairly common for private businesses like pharmacies/clinics/hospitals to have vaccines in much of the world, no?

And you can walk in there and buy it like, say, a bottle of oke? Not without going through a doctor before hand, the same doctor who administers the shot after you picked it up at the pharmacy.

Yes, especially for vaccines that are not on a schedule, but given in specific travel circumstances, in many places in Europe you can buy the dose, store it for a few days in your home fridge and then go to a nurse to have it administered (and logged if you need proof).

For many of the vaccines you can just go and buy them and store them yourself without any special permission or prescription. Usually you do not want to do it, simply because it is easier for the immunization clinic to take care of it.

Re: EU Commission to end AstraZeneca and J&J vaccine contracts at expiry

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Post by double-a »

maxerickson wrote: post #20
rsynnott wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably the mRNA makers will have ramped production enough that it won't matter by the time anyone needs a booster.

That doesn't appear to be the case, even if you limit it to "enough for rich countries". Pfizer is predicting that they will be able to produce 250 million doses month by the end of the year, so I guess they are getting there (depending on how long a period is acceptable).

Source?

Moderna (another mRNA vaccine) alone is estimating it will produce between 600M and 1B vaccines in 2021 already: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/...

Curevac is on track to apply for authorization for another mRNA vaccine in Q2: https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2021/03/22/CureVa...

It's not out of the question that the EU will be able to supply itself entirely with mRNA (or inactivated virus) past 2021.

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Post by _Microft »

syntaxing wrote: post #33
parhamn wrote: post #26

Does anyone know how reusable the mRNA infrastructure is in the future for other mRNA based solutions or is this stuff more one-off for COVID?

It’s pretty much the holy grail for vaccines. It delivers the spike protein via mRNA and the hardest part is the delivery which they’re ironing out with nanolipids (also Moderna biggest IP) during this COVID run. Though I’m an engineer so take everything at face value.

The vaccine only contains the (mRNA) blueprints for the spike protein that cells of the body will then produce themselves. The immune system then reacts to those.

Re: EU Commission to end AstraZeneca and J&J vaccine contracts at expiry

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Post by seszett »

hef19898 wrote: post #29
kube-system wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fairly common for private businesses like pharmacies/clinics/hospitals to have vaccines in much of the world, no?

And you can walk in there and buy it like, say, a bottle of oke? Not without going through a doctor before hand, the same doctor who administers the shot after you picked it up at the pharmacy.

It doesn't have to be the same doctor, but anyway a doctor is not a bureaucrat and buying medicine with a prescription is something that only involves private parties (unless you want to be reimbursed by social security when it exists of course, then social security is obviously involved and it might be public).

If you're advocating for the end of mandatory doctor's prescription for all medicine that's your right, but it's rather doubtful that it would be an improvement over the current system.

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Post by trampi »

rossdavidh wrote: post #18
IAmEveryone wrote: post #4

The EU Commission is disputing this report, according to German news.

I don't doubt it, but a link would be good?

https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/corona-impfstoffe-eu-kommi...

> Berichte, wonach Verträge mit AstraZeneca und Johnson & Johnson ausliefen, dementierte die Kommission aber.

translated: However, the commission denied reports that contracts with AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson were expiring.

Re: EU Commission to end AstraZeneca and J&J vaccine contracts at expiry

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Post by s_dev »

syntaxing wrote: post #39

Seems like mRNA vaccines is winning the the race against other emerging technology like viral vector. If we manage to figure out the nanolipids to live in better temperature conditions, mRNA will change our generation.

Seems incredible now the University of Pennsylvania told the inventor mRNA that their contributions weren't worthwhile and let them go.

https://billypenn.com/2020/12/29/university-pennsylvania-cov...

And now on social media they've done a full 180 and are acting as if it were their contribution to the world when the reality is quite different.

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Post by moystard »

refraincomment wrote: post #23
Mistletoe wrote: post #22

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So the fact that the EU will not renew a contract at expiration in favour of other providers is impacting your freedom?

The underlying truth is that a lot of Brits have identified with AZ, and any "attack" to the vaccine feels like a personal attack to their country and their identity to them... You seem to be in that category.

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Post by rocqua »

thu2111 wrote: post #30
tertius wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ending a contract would encourage them to do more R&D for more future contracts. Don't subsidize drugs/vaccines that don't work. There are 100+ vaccines being worked on. We're fine.

But AstraZeneca does work. The idea it doesn't is a fiction peddled by French and German political leaders, it's not based in science.

And this can be clearly seen in the UK covid numbers!

Re: EU Commission to end AstraZeneca and J&J vaccine contracts at expiry

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Post by kube-system »

hef19898 wrote: post #29
kube-system wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fairly common for private businesses like pharmacies/clinics/hospitals to have vaccines in much of the world, no?

And you can walk in there and buy it like, say, a bottle of oke? Not without going through a doctor before hand, the same doctor who administers the shot after you picked it up at the pharmacy.

Here in the US my doctor is a “private party”. They don’t work for the government, they work at a private business. Nor do I need their involvement to get a vaccine.

The pharmacist at my local grocery store can legally prescribe me a vaccine on the spot at my request, and an assistant can administer it. The pharmacy in my local grocery store is also a private business. For all intents and purposes, yes, I walk into a pharmacy and buy a vaccine.

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Post by IAmEveryone »

lampe3 wrote: post #3
Pick-A-Hill2019 wrote: post #2

Seems rather short sighted in my opinion given that the current scientific consensus is that Covid will become a seasonal thing as it mutates which means that booster shots will probably be needed. Given that amount of R&D funds that the two companies have put in I would imagine they would be reluctant to join in efforts to produce a vaccination for future variations.

short sighted is the mantra in a lot of EU Politics... In Germany politicians don't think longer then the next TV/Internet shit storm cycle...

Uninformed cynicism, however, is the exclusive mantra of online commentating.

The EU is disputing the report in question. And even if it were true, they'd probably have some reason than what you're coming up with in the absence of all information, which is basically "let's kill some people".

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