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The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by Nursie »

rsj_hn wrote: post #184
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most people don’t even know the difference between “the internet” “the www” and “chrome” I mean it used to be that most people didn't know the difference between IE and the internet, and some time in the last ten years I guess it changed to Chrome instead of IE. Now of course there have been more people coming on to the web during that time as well, but I have to think that there is a significant number of people wh…

> I mean it used to be that most people didn't know the difference between IE and the internet, and some time in the last ten years I guess it changed to Chrome instead of IE. Right and there was a reason for that. IE's monopoly didn't fall from the sky. Netscape was flying high and they decided to rewrite the whole browser while IE kept adding features. The end result was that yes, Firefox was born, but its market s…

Is this really what happened?

From memory it looked more like MS bundled their browser with the OS, and back in the day discoverability of software was practically zero, so MS just sort of won through inertia.

Mozilla did start writing firebird (phoenix?) which then became firefox, but I think by then MS already had the de facto monopoly.

I may be misremembering history there of course...

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #149
freeone3000 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave runs their own ad network. So does Edge. Firefox makes their money through search engine placement and donations. I don't think these browsers being less valued on another company's ad network is actually a loss for them.

Microsoft’s as network isn’t really relevant nor a significant driver of business decisions at Microsoft. Disclaimer: former FTE SE, and I worked on Internet Explorer briefly in 2015. Chromium-Edge was forked after I left MS, but from what I gathered the higher-ups were aware of how far-behind MSHTML+EdgeHTML was, and it was getting worse with each Chrome release. One major problem was the rise in the popularity of N…

typo: "Microsoft's as network" should be "Microsoft's ad network". HN isn't letting me edit my post for some reason.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by dvdgsng »

memling wrote: post #140
dvdgsng wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vivaldi has been my daily driver on Linux, Windows and Android for years now. It's just super efficient to work with. - vertical tabs - tabs tiling, stacking & 2nd tab-bar - full page screenshots - notes - page actions (including a very useful CSS debugger, focus & hover highlighting, a freaking PAGE MINIMAP) - sync - mouse gestures - all Chrome extensions work - easily disable any Google services - ad-block (i'm usi…

> What I DONT care about is the Email client they are working on. I'd rather see them focus on the browser features. Like you, I've used Vivaldi for years. I downloaded because of the email client. Opera's M2 was a great mail client. I'm probably in the minority of users who don't use the usual suspects for webmail, and having an integrated mail client is nice. M2, in particular did some nice things: * Fast full-text…

I despise webmail as well, Thunderbird all the way, but it has become a bit of an annoyance lately for some use-cases, so I am willing to look at alternatives.

However, some Thunderbird extensions have even become essential to me, most importantly Cardbook, which I use to manage Contacts across devices (shared via carddav on a selfhosted Nextcloud). Does M3 support carddav properly?

Also, can I add multiple mail accounts easily?

Are mails part of Vivaldi sync?

I might actually try it just to get a look at the current state. RSS client is nice, too.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by warlog »

sweetdreamerit wrote: post #173
throwaway3699 wrote: post #108

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Why would that need ML? PageRank has worked for ages for this problem.

I would consider PageRank as a quite successful example of machine learning. Am I wrong?

It started out that way, anyway.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by varispeed »

I still think that any kind of user tracking should be illegal. It is no different from stalking. You visit one site, maybe enter something in a search box about your health problem or similar. Visit next site and you have all sorts of ads trying to help with your problem. This is wrong.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by memling »

dvdgsng wrote: post #193
memling wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I DONT care about is the Email client they are working on. I'd rather see them focus on the browser features. Like you, I've used Vivaldi for years. I downloaded because of the email client. Opera's M2 was a great mail client. I'm probably in the minority of users who don't use the usual suspects for webmail, and having an integrated mail client is nice. M2, in particular did some nice things: * Fast full-text…

I despise webmail as well, Thunderbird all the way, but it has become a bit of an annoyance lately for some use-cases, so I am willing to look at alternatives. However, some Thunderbird extensions have even become essential to me, most importantly Cardbook, which I use to manage Contacts across devices (shared via carddav on a selfhosted Nextcloud). Does M3 support carddav properly? Also, can I add multiple mail acco…

> Does M3 support carddav properly?

No. This would actually be a pretty killer feature, and if they've implemented sync properly(?) maybe that's something they'll add in the future.

> Also, can I add multiple mail accounts easily?

Yes. I've had no issues here, although I've been using IMAP rather than POP3 for the interim while I decide how well it's going to work for me. (On the other hand, I haven't been back on M2 for several months, so maybe it's time for the switch?)

> Are mails part of Vivaldi sync?

No. Contacts make sense to me, but mail across sync would be basically implementing IMAP for sync purposes, right?

There are things still missing:

* mail import for those of us who still prefer POP to IMAP and have a ton of emails on our system

* highlight-to-quote

* more configurable keyboard shortcuts

* default bottom-quoting

* tighter calendar integration

But on the balance, it's a pretty decent client. I'll look forward to improvements as they have time to commit, but working it into Chromium has been a much more significant challenge than they originally anticipated. The devs/testers talked often about it not being ready for prime time, but I think that had much more to do with the extension development than it did with protocols (for example). I would also suspect that they're significantly understaffed compared to other teams.

And, to be honest, I doubt there's really even a big market for mail clients these days at all: we're mostly on Gmail or Outlook or some other web-based IMAP with integration across all devices. In-browser mail clients without some kind of super-sync feature ... just aren't likely to gain any traction.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by Pick-A-Hill2019 »

galangalalgol wrote: post #49
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #28

"Please switch to a browser that supports FLoC to view this page." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "This website requires a browser that supports FLoC. Please install one of the folllowing compatible browsers: " [Links for Chrome, etc.] "We've detected you are using a browser that does not support FLoC. Please update your browser to use this website." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "Your browser is outdated! Please upgrade." [Links…

I'd love to ditch javascript entirely. Is there an android browser that supports that?

Try Naked Browser (http://nakedbrowser.com/android/ or Play Store link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fevdev.nak...)

Despite the somewhat contentious name the naked refers to it being stripped down.

Once you get the hang of navigation it is extremely fast and a simple long press enables JS (if a site really needs it).

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by mkl »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #192
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft’s as network isn’t really relevant nor a significant driver of business decisions at Microsoft. Disclaimer: former FTE SE, and I worked on Internet Explorer briefly in 2015. Chromium-Edge was forked after I left MS, but from what I gathered the higher-ups were aware of how far-behind MSHTML+EdgeHTML was, and it was getting worse with each Chrome release. One major problem was the rise in the popularity of N…

typo: "Microsoft's as network" should be "Microsoft's ad network". HN isn't letting me edit my post for some reason.

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