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Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by Fr3ck »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #330
skrtskrt wrote: post #156

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I am in the exact same boat, 2x scaling at 4k. I am young but I wear contacts that are not an exact perfect prescription due to the limitations of contacts. But people will swear up and down to me that there is no way I could possibly tell the difference between screens. You can literally see individual pixels on a 1080p screen! I am on Macbooks, but I want to switch to something with Linux so I am waiting for the ge…

> Pop OS is awesome. Yes, they are needing for to change name, however. "Pop_OS!" is very a stupid name, no low hyphen "_" charactir or exclimation in name is good. Only "Pop OS" is good.

I agree. But it is actually Pop!_OS :)

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by dmytton »

kllrnohj wrote: post #160
arnaudsm wrote: post #90

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Note the latest AMD 5850U chip is 40% faster [1] than the M1 for the same wattage! It really deserves more media exposure than the M1 which has the only merit of beating Intel. [1] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+585...

TDP rating != wattage consumed. In an ideal world it would, but it has long since stopped meaning that generally. This includes the M1, which will happily exceed 15W of power consumption, and the 5850U almost certainly does as well since AMD's previous generation CPU in that class happily exceeded 15W. You'll have to wait for a proper review that does power measurements to get a sense for how they actually compare on…

https://singhkays.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-video-power-cons... has a writeup of power consumption for certain tasks on the Mac Mini M1 (not written by me).

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by kllrnohj »

irfoo wrote: post #346
arnaudsm wrote: post #90

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Note the latest AMD 5850U chip is 40% faster [1] than the M1 for the same wattage! It really deserves more media exposure than the M1 which has the only merit of beating Intel. [1] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+585...

M1 can still achieve significantly better single-core performance. I think that matters more, when it comes to how "snappy" a computer feels.

According to the comparison the M1 has 10% faster single-core performance. That's not nothing, but it's not really "significantly better" or something you'll notice in day-to-day usage, either.

But this is also just a single test result that's going to be far from comprehensive.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by epmaybe »

toolz wrote: post #155
arnaudsm wrote: post #118

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The M1 and 5850U are in the same laptop price range. But I agree on the single-thread, it's indeed 12% faster.

I recently bought a lenovo ideapad (ultrabook form factor) for under $900USD with a 5700u 16GB ram 512 nvme https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MH... I'd say AMD is really blowing the M1 laptops out of the water at half the price and more performance.

I bought my m1 MacBook Air for $800, and while it doesn’t have 512gb nvme or 16gb ram it compares a lot better than ‘half the price’

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by leephillips »

khazhoux wrote: post #317
favadi wrote: post #243

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I don’t get the love for iTerm2. I tried it before and see nothing appealing for me over the built in Terminap.app. And it seems to be slower too. On Linux, I just use whatever ship with the distro Gnome Terminal, Konsole... and they work fine.

On iTerm2 my windows are full-screen, black background, zero border or window decorations. I cycle between windows with cmd-` it switches instantly from one full-screen terminal to the next. It's what to me a console should be. Every terminal app I've tried on Windows or Linux insists on having a goddamn window border. I don't want even a single pixel of border. And yes, this is enough to make me a die-hard iTerm2 us…

I use dwm and of the handful of terminal emulator's I've used, none have a border or window decorations. So I don't think they "insist" on having borders.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by kllrnohj »

coldtea wrote: post #213
arnaudsm wrote: post #90

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Note the latest AMD 5850U chip is 40% faster [1] than the M1 for the same wattage! It really deserves more media exposure than the M1 which has the only merit of beating Intel. [1] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+585...

Is it? I see Geenbench gives the M1 as having 1733 (single) and 7652 (multi) GeekBench score, whereas a AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U system has 1414 (single) and 8140 (multi), so the M1 is quite faster in single core than it (22%) and slower but close in multi-core (the AMD being 6% faster). And that's with the M1 having 4 slow cores for better battery life / consumption (with 8 full speed cores it would obliterate the 5850…

> And that's with the M1 having 4 slow cores for better battery life / consumption (with 8 full speed cores it would obliterate the 5850U).

It's not really that simple. An M1 with 8 full speed cores would also consume significantly more power and would no longer work in something like the MacBook Air. On paper these CPUs are both targeting the same power budget, so if AMD can put 8 full-speed CPUs in the same power budget that Apple can "only" put 4 full-speed and 4 low-power then why shouldn't AMD get a win from that?

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by brightball »

varispeed wrote: post #34

I wish they had a laptop with a latest and top AMD, 14" 4K IPS matte panel, programmers friendly keyboard (pg up/down home end on dedicated keys at least), expandable RAM and nvme drive, silent fans and metal chassis and a Linux support. Less important physical camera and wi-fi cut off switch. If there was an ARM chip with comparable performance to M1 I would consider it too if it was running Linux. After watching th…

When I bought a linux laptop 4 years ago I was between System76 and Dell Developer Edition. I ended up going with Dell and I’m very happy with it but I’ve kept an eye on these guys ever since.

Really like what I see from PopOS and I will probably buy from them next time.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by thereddaikon »

silisili wrote: post #59

Nice to see! And glad they are...gasp...listening to people. The Gnome devs could learn a lot from that approach. The most popular distros all include a dock. And yet with Gnome 40, they not only refused to add a dock, they moved what gimped dock they had to the bottom of the screen. But you can't see it until you hit the top left corner. I wish I was making that up. (keyboard shortcuts aside, in fairness) Rant aside…

Seems recently the Gnome team have been too busy demanding RMS' cancellation to listen to their userbase. That's clearly more important work than, you know, actually writing good open source software.

Although I know some who would say Gnome has never been good. Opinions on DEs can be pretty harsh.

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Post by Maken »

llarsson wrote: post #48
ekiwi wrote: post #32

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If you hit the Windows key on Gnome 3, you can type the name of a program, file or system setting and it will generally find it.

That's not it. Unity let you find at you typed to get to menu options. So you did not have to care whether the item you wanted was under File, Edit, or whatever, you could just start typing "preferences" and it would let you find it and go to it with the keyboard. That was pretty good, actually.

That went away with global menu, I'm afraid. In vanilla gnome every app handles it own menu however it likes, so this kind of integration is not possible.

For all its flaws, Unity really tried to offer an unified desktop experience.

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