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Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by jhanschoo »

jhanschoo wrote: post #210
pranau wrote: post #129

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>And if side-loading was alowed then every big player whose app users "have to have", e.g. Google, Facebook, Abobe, Zoom, Epic, would start their own independent app store (or distribution just for their apps). >Users would have no recourse than to install the app for there (or do without Facebook or Zoom etc). We are already aware of a platform that allows easy sideloading - Android. And most apps on Android are dis…

> All "big" players still go through the Play Store. There are many big players that don't go through the Play Store, and for a variety of reasons. Fortnite and ISP-promoted apps and device-manucacturer apps (for business and leverage reasons), DMM (because a primary line of their business is in adult content), and basically everything in mainland China (because Google doesn't operate there). These players all operat…

I'm quite confused that this comment of mine is presently sitting at -1 score at the time of writing. I think I provided good evidence that a fundamental assumption of parent comment was incorrect.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by themacguffinman »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #240
themacguffinman wrote: post #238

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My bad for being unclear, I know it's not literal survival, I was responding to the implication: because Facebook is needed for some kind of "survival", it follows that Facebook is a utility that cannot be controlled by a company. That may be true for actual survival of actual people, but you're not talking about that. Guaranteed utilities/things in most countries are classified as such because they are necessary for…

I understand. I suspect that we see things differently, and probably won't be able to find common ground. But, the project I worked on is definitely not something to be compared to a Taylor Swift song, and I understand that this comes from a position of unfamiliarity. That's fine, but I'm happy to elucidate, offline, if you wish.

Fair enough, I appreciate the honesty & civility. I'd love to see a link to your open source project or related material in a reply, mostly out of curiosity.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by skinnymuch »

jhanschoo wrote: post #210
pranau wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And if side-loading was alowed then every big player whose app users "have to have", e.g. Google, Facebook, Abobe, Zoom, Epic, would start their own independent app store (or distribution just for their apps). >Users would have no recourse than to install the app for there (or do without Facebook or Zoom etc). We are already aware of a platform that allows easy sideloading - Android. And most apps on Android are dis…

> All "big" players still go through the Play Store. There are many big players that don't go through the Play Store, and for a variety of reasons. Fortnite and ISP-promoted apps and device-manucacturer apps (for business and leverage reasons), DMM (because a primary line of their business is in adult content), and basically everything in mainland China (because Google doesn't operate there). These players all operat…

Isn’t Fortnite basically entirely back on the play store and that’s where most users are coming from? That proves it doesn’t work.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by skinnymuch »

coldtea wrote: post #175
FalconSensei wrote: post #132

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> And if side-loading was alowed then every big player whose app users "have to have", e.g. Google, Facebook, Abobe, Zoom, Epic, would start their own independent app store (or distribution just for their apps). That didn't happen on Android. But at least on android you can download the apk from github, or use f-droid

> That didn't happen on Android. Epic did it on Android (they pointed to their own source for Fortnite). For others, there's no need, like there is on iOS. E.g.: Google doesn't need to build their own Android app store, they control the main one already! Facebook doesn't need to do it, as Google is not as strict with app privacy constraints as Apple is.

Fortnite folded. It wasn’t working out for them well enough.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by nine_k »

zepto wrote: post #217
viraptor wrote: post #214

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What makes Amazon app store and f-droid not first class?

No automatic software updates.

Clicking an f-droid notification and then "update all" is fine by me.

It's much better than having no alternative store at all, and installing things via adb commands.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

themacguffinman wrote: post #242
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #240

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I understand. I suspect that we see things differently, and probably won't be able to find common ground. But, the project I worked on is definitely not something to be compared to a Taylor Swift song, and I understand that this comes from a position of unfamiliarity. That's fine, but I'm happy to elucidate, offline, if you wish.

Fair enough, I appreciate the honesty & civility. I'd love to see a link to your open source project or related material in a reply, mostly out of curiosity.

No. I won't post it publicly. It's not a state secret, and can be figured out, by looking through my links, but it's easier to simply email me, and I'll send it.

It's the kind of thing that is best left relatively "uncredited," and is important only to a certain demographic; but within that demographic, it is very, very important.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by ctdonath »

aembleton wrote: post #156
ctdonath wrote: post #31

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Microsoft wasn’t selling the computer. Anyone is free to buy an iPhone, install apps on it, and resell it.

In the 90s, anyone could buy a Windows PC, install apps on it and resell it. The point was that Microsoft were giving Internet Explorer away for free, pre installed with Windows. This abused the market dominance of Windows to expand use of Internet Explorer.

Was it the giving away for free? Or prohibiting resellers from installing other browsers?

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by nnain »

ksec wrote: post #36

Patrick McGee from Financial Times had a whole twitter thread [1] on it. It got everything from banning apps for competitive reason to Apple's FEAR ( Fraud Engineering Algorithms and Risk ) team saying the current App Store review process is inadequate. I am starting to think there is a much deeper problem with Apple, it is that without Steve Jobs, no one is being the yard stick of quality, especially in UX. A decade…

> there is a much deeper problem with Apple

Which might as well be greed — after all 30% of 5Mn = 1.5Mn USD. They make a lot of money by allowing scammy apps to continue operating.

I hope these cases becomes a major reason why they have to open up the App Store.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by nullifidian »

pranau wrote: post #129
coldtea wrote: post #126

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> If side-loading or alternative ways of getting apps onto the iPhone existed, then they could implement far stricter controls knowing that, worst case scenario, you can still get an app onto the iPhone. This is how it works on the Mac. Tor isn't on the Mac App Store, but that of course doesn't mean Tor can't be used on the Mac. And if side-loading was alowed then every big player whose app users "have to have", e.g.…

>And if side-loading was alowed then every big player whose app users "have to have", e.g. Google, Facebook, Abobe, Zoom, Epic, would start their own independent app store (or distribution just for their apps). >Users would have no recourse than to install the app for there (or do without Facebook or Zoom etc). We are already aware of a platform that allows easy sideloading - Android. And most apps on Android are dis…

>allows easy sideloading - Android

Epic argued in court that Android side-loading has been designed to make side-loading difficult and annoying.

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