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What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)

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Re: What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)

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This sounds like a confirmation. "Our results further confirm that experts are more proficient in self-assessing their abilities than novices and that women, in general, self-assess more accurately than men. The validity of interpretations of data depends strongly upon how carefully the researchers consider the numeracy that underlies graphical presentations and conclusions. Our results indicate that carefully measur…

No, it's not a confirmation. Experts have a tighter distribution of self-assessment - when they miss, they miss by less. However, non-experts and experts alike overrate and underrate their competency with about equal frequency. Because of ceiling and floor effects (it's hard to massively underrate yourself when you're already in the bottom decile of actual competency, and vice versa), non-experts have a mean self-ass…

> non-experts have a mean self-assessment higher than their actual competency, but that doesn't mean that non-experts as a group tend to overrate themselves.

Doesn't it mean exactly that? It doesn't matter if it's caused by ceiling and floor effects, the end result is that the less competent tend to overrate themselves.

Re: What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)

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It's funny, if you pretend you have impostor syndrome, it can also come from a dunning kruger effect. Or vice versa.

My freelance life is a constant oscillation between impostor and DK. The trick is to match the phases when I think I am the new Da Vinci with the phase when I negotiate my rates and the phases where I think I am barely good enough to work at a sandwich shop with the actual dev.

Not the greatest for mental health, though. Now I am glad that I am working with very competent but also nice and supportive colleagues. It really is a blast to be able to have some bad days without feeling you should quit and buy a farm in the Larzac instead.

Re: What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)

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The abstract mentions women self-assess more accurately than men. As a man and thinking about my own mindset with self assessment, I wonder if the definition of “self-assessment” itself might differ between men and women on average. For myself, if you ask me to do a task in a discipline I know little about, I might assess myself as being capable of doing so even without the prior experience, because I figure “I can f…

No, it is not different definition. Women think they can learn things too. However, if you ask them how good they are in something or whether they already know it, they are more likely to provide accurate answer. Also true story: if I am solving a problem and ask dude whether he knows the solution, he says yes I do, takes away my keyboard, starts googling and then refuses to return keyboard back, it is serious wtf an…

The problem in the middle can also be explained by him treating your question as rhetorical instead of as an actual question

Re: What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)

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I keep seeing references to the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon all over the place lately...

I'm losing track of all the references to scientist named phenomena: Baader-Meinhof, Dunning-Kruger, Gell-Mann Amnesia, etc.

It seems the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon wasn't named by or after scientists, if that's what you meant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

Re: What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)

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Dunning Kruger, while it does have a precise meaning and was experimentally discovered, in common usage of the term it is just a way to say someone else is dumb without using words like 'dumb'. Not only are they dumb, they're so dumb they are too dumb to know they are dumb! Not only are they soooo dumb, I'm very smart, so smart I use words to talk like smart people, with big special words that are from science. Plus,…

> they're so dumb they are too dumb to know they are dumb! It’s really too bad Dunning & Kruger’s data didn’t show anyone being too dumb to know it, nor did it even show anyone being dumb at all. So maybe the meaning isn’t as precise as you think? All the participant scores were relative to their peer group (no way to know if they were dumb or smart), and all the participants were Ivy League college kids. That doesn’…

You overestimated how well you understood my comment. I was commenting on the irony of how people bring up dunning kruger to insult other people.

Why bother going to the effort trying to correct someone without bothering to take 30 seconds to even read their comment?

Re: What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)

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What if its that thing where when you learn about something it seems like its suddenly everywhere, except it was always there, you're just noticing it now?

Baader–Meinhof phenomenon :)

What is it called when somebody asks you to describe in single words only the good things that come to mind about your mother, and you shoot them?

The Voight-Kampff effect.

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