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The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by rasz »

armagon wrote: post #104
rufugee wrote: post #78

Anyone using Vivaldi full-time? As a Firefox user, I find I have to install a number of third-party extensions to get some basic functionality that Vivaldi has out of the box (ad-blocking, note taking). Anyone made the switch, and, if so, can you share your experience?

I use Vivaldi as my daily browser. Two main reasons: - it is able to debug the web application I work on developing. (Trying to make it easier to debug under Firefox is on my todo list). - it has mouse gestures, and they work everywhere (even on blank tabs).

try to debug different origin iframes

or open devtools, navigate to another domain and look at devtools address in the title

or open devtools, go to sources, pick main html, select some text and right click to Copy

its full of bad bugs

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by freebuju »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #139
jimmydorry wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Firefox makes their money through search engine placement and donations I have to assume you wrote this in good faith, however, this is a circuitous way of describing how Mozilla / Firefox makes its money. It comes directly from Google! One can easily imagine a future where Firefox must implement FLoC to continue receiving that money.

While it has largely come from Google they have at times and in some markets had other search defaults.

Probably won't be able to afford their top-dollar CEO if Google ever pulled the rug. Mozilla is totally dependent on this search deal.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by freebuju »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #151
jimmydorry wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Firefox makes their money through search engine placement and donations I have to assume you wrote this in good faith, however, this is a circuitous way of describing how Mozilla / Firefox makes its money. It comes directly from Google! One can easily imagine a future where Firefox must implement FLoC to continue receiving that money.

> One can easily imagine a future where Firefox must implement FLoC to continue receiving that money. I can see them getting a good offer from Bing... Does Mozilla have an endowment? I would hope that they’d keep at least $10m in endowment so that they can sustainably continue to fund minimal development to keep the engine and browser up-to-date w.r.t. security and W3C spec changes.

> I can see them getting a good offer from Bing

MS has no incentive to make any such deal. FF marketshare numbers having been tanking so bad, even the newer Edge browser might overtake them in a few years.

Assuming they would still make Firefox an offer, good would be far from an apt description of it.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by cpeterso »

What I have not seen described is how how advertisers will select which FLoC cohort IDs to advertise to, i.e. which ID is for baseball fans or which is for luxury travelers. The cohorts are generated independently by clients, so Google and others must recreate their own directory of IDs based on their own site lists.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by [deleted] »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #28

"Please switch to a browser that supports FLoC to view this page." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "This website requires a browser that supports FLoC. Please install one of the folllowing compatible browsers: " [Links for Chrome, etc.] "We've detected you are using a browser that does not support FLoC. Please update your browser to use this website." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "Your browser is outdated! Please upgrade." [Links…

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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by kerng »

joshuamorton wrote: post #105
sumtechguy wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I am reading this right (and you seem to have read it the same way) it ends up creating a browser fingerprint. Visit 1 FLoC and they have no real idea who you really are. But if you visit several they could easily tell. Which is similar to how they use your installed list of fonts to identify you. But more formalized?

No, this isn't correct. You only ever belong to a single FloC. So let's for a second assume the non-adversarial use case. The advertiser isn't using any additional tools to track you. Then the only thing the advertiser has is your FloC. This doesn't identify you individually, but it might correlate with various interests. If your FloC changes, which it will periodically, the advertiser doesn't have any history, so th…

Instead of fingerprinting out of millions of browser users a company now just has to have a rather small set (Floc) + old school finger printing to 100% uniquely identify a user.

I wonder how this feature even passed an internal Google privacy sniff test...

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

type0 wrote: post #80
mixedCase wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is FLoC built in a way where you couldn't just feed websites fake data?

Sure, but you would have to be careful with that though, if you use any Google services they might ban your account with no recourse.

Could that be a blessing in disguise.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by [deleted] »

Aachen wrote: post #101
type0 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correctemento, for non technical users Chrome is the window to the internet (it used to be Internet Explorer).

Why'd they go out and download another browser if they don't understand the concept of a browser? Only Android comes with the Google browser as default browser as far as I know. I think whatever the setupper of the computer dictates whatever Internet is, and secondarily the OS vendor if the new user doesn't have a tech friend. I don't think Chrome is somehow == Internet for these people specifically. (Personally I ca…

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