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The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

jimmydorry wrote: post #125
freeone3000 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave runs their own ad network. So does Edge. Firefox makes their money through search engine placement and donations. I don't think these browsers being less valued on another company's ad network is actually a loss for them.

>Firefox makes their money through search engine placement and donations I have to assume you wrote this in good faith, however, this is a circuitous way of describing how Mozilla / Firefox makes its money. It comes directly from Google! One can easily imagine a future where Firefox must implement FLoC to continue receiving that money.

> One can easily imagine a future where Firefox must implement FLoC to continue receiving that money.

I can see them getting a good offer from Bing...

Does Mozilla have an endowment? I would hope that they’d keep at least $10m in endowment so that they can sustainably continue to fund minimal development to keep the engine and browser up-to-date w.r.t. security and W3C spec changes.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by eqvinox »

bootlooped wrote: post #147
TechBro8615 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took ~ ten days to convince my family to move from IE to Firefox. I was about 11 years old at the time. People do not have strong attachments to their web browser. If you show them a viable alternative with tangible benefits, they might switch to it.

The other day I got a message from a website something like "this site is no longer supported on Internet Explorer, please try Chrome for best experience". I was there using Firefox.

What website was that? I haven't seen such a f*ckup in ages. (Firefox user here.)

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by heavyset_go »

dubcanada wrote: post #13
kjjjjjjjjjjjjjj wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google needs to be split up, plain and simple. They are the most dangerous company in America

Then Microsoft would just take over? You can't just point fingers at a specific company and say, yes that giant monopoly out of the other 50 monopolies is the bad one. The others are perfectly fine.

The solution to this is to hold them all accountable for anti-competitive behavior, and not to ignore anti-competitive behavior of one company just because another got away with it at one time.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by heavyset_go »

sanxiyn wrote: post #31
Chlorus wrote: post #15

> Such adverts may be seen as a way to make money but can be used to influence user behaviour and control people in large numbers FLoC & ad-tracking sucks but can we dial back the hysteria?

Advertising is a kind of persuasive technology. I use "persuasive technology" as a neutral term to include both its weak form (advertising) and its strong form (mind control).

At least where my relatives a few generations back came from, the colloquial word for "advertising" was just "propaganda".

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

kovac wrote: post #114
rufugee wrote: post #106

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Actually, the lack of multi-account containers probably kills it for me. They've become such an important part of my workflow these days.

There's the profiles in Vivaldi. That's what I use and I found it to be better than Firefox's multi account containers because I don't have to choose the container each time I open the site.

In Firefox you can automatically choose and persist a container type for each domain you visit.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by LegitShady »

eqvinox wrote: post #152
bootlooped wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day I got a message from a website something like "this site is no longer supported on Internet Explorer, please try Chrome for best experience". I was there using Firefox.

What website was that? I haven't seen such a f*ckup in ages. (Firefox user here.)

I got that apartment hunting, and there was a 3d tour. The page worked fine on firefox (even with ublock running) but it still had that message.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by dartharva »

rufugee wrote: post #78

Anyone using Vivaldi full-time? As a Firefox user, I find I have to install a number of third-party extensions to get some basic functionality that Vivaldi has out of the box (ad-blocking, note taking). Anyone made the switch, and, if so, can you share your experience?

I have tried shifting to Vivaldi several times (I very frequently tend to hop browsers, just for the sake of it).

For me, Vivaldi's best feature is that it allows you to sideload extensions without kicking up a fuss about them with popups each time you start the browser. AFAIK no other Chromium-based browser apart from ungoogled-chromium allows that.

But on the other hand, it tries to do so many things altogether and shoves so many options and settings to the user it feels overwhelming. It feels bloated, and using it after you've been used to the minimal design on Chrome (and Firefox that has copied it), it just .. doesn't feel right.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by dartharva »

jefftk wrote: post #111

Vivaldi and Brave both have built-in ad blockers. FLoC is a feature specifically designed to support advertising. Regardless of the privacy qualities of FLoC, it would be kind of pointless in these browsers anyway? (Disclosure: I work on ads at Google, speaking only for myself)

FLoC would be pointless on Chrome as well if people use ad blockers on them. They should get an option to allow/deny the component.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by pradn »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #145
luke2m wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is zero incentive for Chromium forks, let alone any other browser vendor, to implement/leave-in this technology. Chrome has a 60-70% market share on its own. Most people don’t even know the difference between “the internet” “the www” and “chrome” So, there is zero incentive for the 30% of non-chrome browsers, but most of the people who don’t use adblockers anyway will be sucked into this.

It took ~ ten days to convince my family to move from IE to Firefox. I was about 11 years old at the time. People do not have strong attachments to their web browser. If you show them a viable alternative with tangible benefits, they might switch to it.

That was before bookmark and passwords sync, which now act as significant moats. You used to be able to import bookmarks from another browser, but you can't do that with passwords.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by vlovich123 »

pradn wrote: post #159
TechBro8615 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took ~ ten days to convince my family to move from IE to Firefox. I was about 11 years old at the time. People do not have strong attachments to their web browser. If you show them a viable alternative with tangible benefits, they might switch to it.

That was before bookmark and passwords sync, which now act as significant moats. You used to be able to import bookmarks from another browser, but you can't do that with passwords.

I don’t know the story about browser import today, but Chrome has a CSV export of passwords to presumably there is some mechanism to migrate passwords, no?
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