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Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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This is a fair position to have, but maybe a follow-up question: If you're able to share your thoughts without giving away private info from your time there: Based on this particular scam - with so many bad reviews AND the extremely high revenue being generated, should this not have tripped some kind of alarm for closer review? How has this been going on for so long without anyone at Apple noticing? It's not like it'…

I’d be willing to bet that no one is looking in the top X% of grossing apps for spam/scan. They probably (wrongly) assumed that most people wouldn’t spend money on a scam and most people wouldn’t be fooled, only a small set of people. In fact, I doubt their AI’s training data lacked anything like this.

But they clearly should, because people find scams in they all the time.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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I would hope that the trust and safety team at Apple are sorting apps by revenue-generated-per-month and investigating the ones at the top of the list first.

I bet they will now.

They haven't done it for the many years that people have been pointing this out; I see no reason for them to start doing it now.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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> Apple Applogism in the flesh. I wish I had people apologizing and defending my company. Not sure how Tesla/Apple does it. Your comment violates HN commenting rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edited to add the fallacy op was making. That should be enough to make it a substantiative comment.

Nope, it's still flamebait.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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You may be able to install Firefox now, but originally it was literally a web-only affair. "Chrome OS is literally Linux" is about as accurate as "Android is literally Linux". Chrome OS is not just some rebadged Debian distro. Do all chromebooks support linux apps now? AFAIK that's not true, and only a subset of them support it.

> "Chrome OS is literally Linux" is about as accurate as "Android is literally Linux". Chrome OS is not just some rebadged Debian distro. It's not rebadged Debian. The default Linux in Chrome OS is literally Debian. It has apt, bash, Wayland, X11. And of course the Linux kernel is there. What more do you want before you call it Linux? > Do all chromebooks support linux apps now? According to this page all 2019+ Chrom…

Chrome OS is Gentoo based and did not let you install arbitrary Linux apps until relatively recently. I think the comparison is apt.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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This is somewhat ironic given the recent interview Tim Cook did with Kara Swisher on Sway[1] that touched on topics like App Store curation and not allowing side loading. Here's an excerpt: > Kara Swisher: Like Netflix and others, right. What’s wrong with Epic or any developer going their own way or allowing a direct payment system, instead of having to go through the App Store? Why should you have the control? > Tim…

Tim Cook: Because if you had side loading, you would break the privacy and security model.

I really wish somebody would follow up a response like that by asking if that means macOS is inherently insecure and dangerous.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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I'm just going to say one simple thing: very few people are qualified to assess what Apple actually "seems to care" about. And this poster definitely isn't one of those people. As for the invented-from-whole-cloth link title: please don't do that.

He's a developer that's been dealing with Apple for quite a while, I see no issue with him having a position on what he believes Apple cares about.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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> The vast majority will continue to use the App Store. Definitely not true. Most people will be forced to install alternative stores because those stores will pay for exclusives on key apps. Players like Facebook and Google will open stores and only make their products available within them. > Apple could also manage this situation to both educate users and frame the situation in such a way so that only power users…

> Definitely not true. Most people will be forced to install alternative stores because those stores will pay for exclusives on key apps. Players like Facebook and Google will open stores and only make their products available within them. That is debatable, and discussed throughout this thread, including in my own comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26799453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26799283 F…

> Most Android users use the Google Play Store.

This as you must be aware, is because first class alternative stores are not possible on Android.

> Facebook does not run their own separate Android app store, even though they could

This as you must be aware, is because first class alternative stores are not possible on Android.

> Apple is a master of dark patterns and social engineering, and can easily convey the safety of the App Store without stooping to heavy-handedness that would trigger regulators.

This is made up and has no validity.

> I find your lack of faith in Apple to be most disturbing. It's easily imaginable for Apple to re-frame the entire game so that they are the ones who are encouraging third parties...

More fantasy. After years of public statements to the contrary this is not realistic.

> You are refusing to acknowledge that when someone is scammed, the scammer is the one who holds the greatest fault for doing so. By doing so, you are passing the buck up the the responsibility chain.

They may hold the greatest fault, but facilitating scammers and then blaming them is kinda silly.

Apple is taking responsibility for reducing scams. Let’s not stop them.

> Apple's App Store enforcement standards have been slipping compared to previous years.

A claim with zero evidence.

> Its clear that scammers are far less limited than back when Apple was more diligent at stopping malicious apps from being on their own platform.

A false conclusion. There can be simply more scams being attempted and so more slipping through. Indeed this would be expected in a growing market.

> And you seem to be the only one who believes that Apple cannot extend protections even to hypothetical Apple-powered third party app stores.

The only one along with everyone else who understands computer science.

> At the end of the day, they control the operating system. They would always have ultimate control.

Obviously not, for two reasons.

1. Nobody in history has ever produced a perfectly secure operating system.

2. No anti-trust regulator would allow Apple to block apps installed by other stores.

> Finally, the original statement you are responding to is talking about the possibility of third party app stores that are more secure than the Apple App Store. Given the App Store's huge size and apparently slipping safety standards, it's certainly possible for new entrants to provide competition and offer an even better curated and secure experience than the one Apple provides. By preventing Apple from allowing the creation of such third party app stores, you are in effect the one forcing Apple to reduce protections, making their customers vulnerable.

This is of course nonsense.

Stores won’t compete on security. They’ll compete for customers using all the usual mechanisms - buying exclusives, tying their stores to other services and products, heavy marketing, and discrediting their competitors.

Even if a store did exist that was less scammy than Apple’s, it simply wouldn’t have everything a customer wanted anyway.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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> If side-loading or alternative ways of getting apps onto the iPhone existed, then they could implement far stricter controls knowing that, worst case scenario, you can still get an app onto the iPhone. This is how it works on the Mac. Tor isn't on the Mac App Store, but that of course doesn't mean Tor can't be used on the Mac. And if side-loading was alowed then every big player whose app users "have to have", e.g.…

Android allows side loading and none of that stuff is an issue on Android. It exists, but it's not an issue. You can easily stay in the Play store, but if you choose not to... caveat emptor.

Android doesn’t allow first class alternative stores.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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“Sideloading Apps Would ‘Break’ the Security and Privacy of iPhone”, said Tim Cook. But instead of gaslighting us, Apple could let us sideload notarized apps. This means: - Automated scan for malware - Remote kill switch, just in case They already do this for macOS [1]: > “Notarization is not App Review. The Apple notary service is an automated system that scans your software for malicious content, checks for code-si…

Yeah, the whole "there is no alternative to the App Store" argument completely falls apart in the face of the existence of the Mac, and how the Mac isn't constrained by the Mac App Store.

Obviously not, because the Mac has only ever had minor sales relative to the PC even, and minuscule compared to iOS.

It’s never been a serious target.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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I bet they will now.

They haven't done it for the many years that people have been pointing this out; I see no reason for them to start doing it now.

To be fair, the noise is a lot louder now than it ever has been.
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