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Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by coldtea »

zakki wrote: post #153
pram wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is the entry level processor, and is still beating everything in single thread performance. What merits the media exposure?

Why do we call it an entry level processor? Is it marketing words?

Because it's available in the cheap models, including a model (the Mac Mini) that costs about as much as the AMD 5850U cpu itself.

Also, I see the M1 as having 1733 (single) and 7652 (multi) GeekBench score, whereas the AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U has 1414 (single) and 8140 (multi), so the M1 is quite faster in single core than it (22%) and close in multi-core (the AMD being 6% faster).

So what gives, and how does that fits with the numbers given by the grandparent?

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Post by SxC97 »

zakki wrote: post #153
pram wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is the entry level processor, and is still beating everything in single thread performance. What merits the media exposure?

Why do we call it an entry level processor? Is it marketing words?

Because so far Apple has only released entry level products with the M1. It’s pretty obvious that they will release higher end chips for higher end products later this year.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by coldtea »

arnaudsm wrote: post #90
varispeed wrote: post #34

I wish they had a laptop with a latest and top AMD, 14" 4K IPS matte panel, programmers friendly keyboard (pg up/down home end on dedicated keys at least), expandable RAM and nvme drive, silent fans and metal chassis and a Linux support. Less important physical camera and wi-fi cut off switch. If there was an ARM chip with comparable performance to M1 I would consider it too if it was running Linux. After watching th…

Note the latest AMD 5850U chip is 40% faster [1] than the M1 for the same wattage! It really deserves more media exposure than the M1 which has the only merit of beating Intel. [1] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+585...

Is it? I see Geenbench gives the M1 as having 1733 (single) and 7652 (multi) GeekBench score, whereas a AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U system has 1414 (single) and 8140 (multi), so the M1 is quite faster in single core than it (22%) and slower but close in multi-core (the AMD being 6% faster).

And that's with the M1 having 4 slow cores for better battery life / consumption (with 8 full speed cores it would obliterate the 5850U).

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by adrusi »

abreis wrote: post #98
varispeed wrote: post #81

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I currently have XPS 15 with 4k screen and I can easily see pixels, so 14 should be a little better. There is also the feeling that it is 2021 and should I still be seeing pixels? I think crisp high resolution view is much better for the eyes and feels more natural. I am also almost always within reach of a mains socket, so I don't particularly care about battery life, just that I can move the machine from one place…

4K at 15" is 294 dpi. I'm very surprised to hear that you can see pixels at that density at a normal laptop screen viewing distance. My laptop is 'only' at 226dpi (16") and I can't see pixels unless I bring my nose to the screen.

I think different people mean different things by "see the pixels." I can't imagine being able to see individual pixels on a 15" 4k display at laptop distances, but I can imagine being able to notice minor distortions in the outlines of text, or more discomfort than necessary when reading small text, as a result of lower pixel densities. That could be reasonably described as seeing the pixels.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by coldtea »

arnaudsm wrote: post #118
pram wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is the entry level processor, and is still beating everything in single thread performance. What merits the media exposure?

The M1 and 5850U are in the same laptop price range. But I agree on the single-thread, it's indeed 12% faster.

How come I see Geenbench 5 scopes pining the M1 as 20% faster?

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Post by jtl999 »

varispeed wrote: post #34

I wish they had a laptop with a latest and top AMD, 14" 4K IPS matte panel, programmers friendly keyboard (pg up/down home end on dedicated keys at least), expandable RAM and nvme drive, silent fans and metal chassis and a Linux support. Less important physical camera and wi-fi cut off switch. If there was an ARM chip with comparable performance to M1 I would consider it too if it was running Linux. After watching th…

I wasn't opposed to the 220dpi of the older Macbook Pros (2880x1800 @ 15.4),but otherwise this is what I want.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by type0 »

erinnh wrote: post #140
dagenleg wrote: post #65

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I am genuinely wondering how big is the intersection between "non-cli users" and "power users" on Linux

Considering this is a tiling window manager, rather high Id say. Im a power user, so to say, and Ive been using pop shell for about 6-9 months now. I love not having to write my own scripts to do the most basic tasks in sway anymore. Things like my calendar works throughout the desktop without me having to wrangle various things.

> I love not having to write my own scripts to do the most basic tasks in sway anymore.

Speaking of it there's now Sway edition of Manjaro and it looks very good

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by eudes_ochoa »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #63

Is this built as a Gnome Shell Extension? Would love to be able to just pop this into my shell on OpenSuse without having to change to an Ubuntu based distribution. Also, what are they going to do once nobody is supporting Gnome 3.38 anymore, porting this to Gnome 40+ seems like it's going to be a pain in the ass. Hopefully it doesn't necessitate a Gnome Shell fork...

I don't know if the thing they're announcing here is just an extension, but the features mentioned in the article all come included in the pop shell gnome extension.

https://github.com/pop-os/shell

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by stratigos »

System76 makes decent laptops that run linux really well. Ive had zero of the notorious firmware issues of trying to linux-on-laptop.

As a software developer, I wouldnt ever use Pop_OS again. Vanilla Ubuntu is way better, and less complex, and has way better support. All I recall from Pop_OS related issues, on System76's behalf, are tumbleweeds.

Oh and Ive had 4 of their laptops, used primarily for software development, since 2016.

For a physical machine, its been a great experience, albeit slightly too expensive (and for that reason Im not buying them anymore).

At a software level, I am forever disinterested in whatever it is theyre offering. Even the marketing language describing this "Cosmic" thing is has hard to parse and understand as my experience with Pop_OS.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by 6bb32646d83d »

samstave wrote: post #187
varispeed wrote: post #34

I wish they had a laptop with a latest and top AMD, 14" 4K IPS matte panel, programmers friendly keyboard (pg up/down home end on dedicated keys at least), expandable RAM and nvme drive, silent fans and metal chassis and a Linux support. Less important physical camera and wi-fi cut off switch. If there was an ARM chip with comparable performance to M1 I would consider it too if it was running Linux. After watching th…

My hp omen is pretty bad ass, check them out - has most of all that - no metal case though sadly..

+1 on HP Omen. Fits most of your demand except for the 4k screen. I have the AMD Ryzen 7 4800H version and it's significantly faster than the beefiest macbook pro you can buy.

Linux runs great on it. It costs ~$1000

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