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Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#101

Post by dewey »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #96

I purchased my first 1Password license when it was version 3, and have faithfully upgraded to every standalone version ever since. These days I’m not so sure I will be upgrading again (and I’m not sure there will be more stand alone versions). The latest version is a mess on Big Sur, with unlock fields obscuring input fields, conflicting with Apples iCloud Keychain, and just not working like I expect it to. Furthermo…

You can disable the integration into the form fields. It’s the first thing I did as it never really worked.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#102

Post by ruph123 »

npunt wrote: post #66
ruph123 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used 1Password for a long time. When they shifted to the SaaS model I left angrily. Over time I tried out several other programs such as Enpass (came close to the original 1pw), keepass varieties, Bitwarden but found myself back at 1Password this year. One big thing, which funny enough is another dark pattern I guess, is the family account feature. I allows me to take family members on and we can share certain pass…

A new feature that adds value is not a 'dark pattern'. Lets not be dramatic. Even moving from one-time to subscription isn't a 'dark pattern', its a business model move to shift to recurring revenue, which we know is something that businesses need to keep the lights on. You can debate the merits of it, but it's not a dark pattern in and of itself. HOW they execute that might be, but the change itself isn't. You just…

> A new feature that adds value is not a 'dark pattern'. Lets not be dramatic.

Family plans are in my eyes. They log users more into the platform and makes it very difficult to switch. If you want to move away from Spotify, you now have to convince enough of the others to make it feasible.

> Even moving from one-time to subscription isn't a 'dark pattern'

I did not claim that it was one. I also was not even mad about recurring payments, to me the problematic change was that the data was now hosted on some other machine owned by the company who is producing the software (e.g. in theory single point of entry).

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#103

Post by cheerupplease »

I’ve never commented on a HN post, but finally you’ve all got to me.

Why are people mostly commenting moaning about something completely different to what the article is about? Fine, I get it, you don’t like 1Password’s tactics regarding subscription models. But this is about infrastructure secret management. It’s the same with Google Cloud announcements “hOw LoNg UnTiL tHeY dEprEcAtE iT???” ... boooooooring

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#104

Post by Androider »

microdrum wrote: post #4

Hah. With the gimmicks, tricks, and dark patterns this company has pulled with consumer, what are the chances professionals would trust them with something like this?

The company is clearly focusing entirely on their SaaS version, which just makes sense in this day and age. They provide the stand-alone version for people who know about and want to continue using it, but obviously they don't want to drive any new users to this end-of-life product.

In my opinion, it's not a dark pattern, it's just softly winding down the old app. That's not an unreasonable thing to do. If you want a traditional app, there are other choices.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#105

Post by oarsinsync »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #87
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a password manager but, as a mostly-Apple user, I see very little reason not to just use iCloud Keychain: the UX of Apple’s solution is significantly better than all the alternatives because I don’t have to remember yet another password/mfa token to type in every once in a while.

> I use a password manager but, as a mostly-Apple user, I see very little reason not to just use iCloud Keychain Storing 2FA tokens is one thing iCloud Keychain cannot do (yet ?), and it’s the primary reason I use 1Password over iCloud Keychain. That being said, with Big Sur, 1Password changed its default behavior from being unintrusive to literally obscuring input fields with big “unlock 1Password” pop up’s. I’m cur…

> That being said, with Big Sur, 1Password changed its default behavior from being unintrusive to literally obscuring input fields with big “unlock 1Password” pop up’s.

That's not a Big Sur thing, that's a 1Password thing (I've not upgraded to Big Sur still).

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#106

Post by Androider »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #96

I purchased my first 1Password license when it was version 3, and have faithfully upgraded to every standalone version ever since. These days I’m not so sure I will be upgrading again (and I’m not sure there will be more stand alone versions). The latest version is a mess on Big Sur, with unlock fields obscuring input fields, conflicting with Apples iCloud Keychain, and just not working like I expect it to. Furthermo…

I don't understand why people think it's some nefarious dark pattern. It's perfectly clear, the old 1Password app is winding down, the future is their hosted version.

The only way to even download the app is if you already knew about it's existence before. It's not a dark pattern, it's just directing people who sign up for 1Password today into their actually supported product instead of the end-of-lifed one. Your app will continue to work for some reasonable amount of time until some version of macOS breaks it, then you can either pick another one from numerous competitors or go with their hosted version. Sounds to me like you'll need look into the alternatives given your requirements. It is what it is, no need to attribute it to malice.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#107

Post by phnofive »

bwoodruff wrote: post #92
fastball wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much agree. My pet peeve at the moment is this[1], where they removed a feature I very much like (TouchID in the standalone browser extension) and still have yet to replace that functionality despite many promises that it is just around the corner. It was removed in August 2020. Definitely feel like they've lost sight of why people chose them in the first place, and stuff like this is certainly not helping assua…

Hi! I work for 1Password. We have this functionality available in beta with our 1Password for Linux app. It will be available on Mac and Windows in the not-too-distant future, though I can't say more specifically when that will be. [1] https://1password.community/discussion/comment/591579/#Comme...

Can you explain why this was removed, and why it was re-introduced on a platform other than OS X (given that biometric identifiers have become standard in Apple hardware)?

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#108

Post by jpeeler »

cheerupplease wrote: post #103

I’ve never commented on a HN post, but finally you’ve all got to me. Why are people mostly commenting moaning about something completely different to what the article is about? Fine, I get it, you don’t like 1Password’s tactics regarding subscription models. But this is about infrastructure secret management. It’s the same with Google Cloud announcements “hOw LoNg UnTiL tHeY dEprEcAtE iT???” ... boooooooring

I've found that HN often chats about something only tangentially related to the article. And I think it's actually part of the culture here. But I agree that when you are passionate about a given topic it is a bit of a letdown when the comments are not directly about the article.

Note that we've both commented on something different from the article in this case.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by dmart »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #65
bredren wrote: post #27

Strange to see this. The product is a mess on MacOs right now. Support can’t decide which extension to recommend. Their messaging has been inconsistent, saying the browser will integrate with the native client. But then also that the browser only version is the future of the product. This says nothing of the performance and UI problems the product has faced. Recently it was so bad the company was telling people to us…

If I were unfamiliar with 1Password, I'd imagine the product is an absolute dumpster fire from your post. In reality, the macOS and iOS clients work fine. I have a dozen friends and family members using the product with no complains on those platforms. I surely haven't seen any performance or UI problems that aren't worse on different services. Sure, there is some current confusion between the use of the 1Password X…

I wouldn't say the product is a dumpster fire, but core workflows are a mess. This is how you generate and save a password for a new site:

1) Extension button > Generate Password > Save & Copy 2) After creating account, extension button again > select entry > Edit 3) Click Save in opened modal 4) Click Convert to Login in opened modal 5) Click Edit in opened modal 6) Manually type in the username/email you used on the site 7) Click Save in opened modal 8) Close the modal

And this (generating and storing passwords for new accounts) is the main workflow of the product!

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

#110

Post by spondyl »

The article is a little light on details but this seems like a cool addition to 1Password.

The op cli is alright but having to re-unlock it every 30 minutes (plus I'm shell dumb so my session is nuked every new tab I open) means there's quite a lot of friction compared to the desktop version where I just double tap the side button on my Apple watch

I wonder if this could be a potential alternative in some roundabout way

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Somewhat unrelated rant

I like 1Password and after having tried a whirlwind of password managers, it's still the most seamless (plus having templates for things like cards, licenses and so on is useful)

I don't even mind paying the relatively small subscription fee.

That said, in the same sense that you generally know you've resigned months before you write the letter, I still remember there was a forum thread where one of the employees was seemingly user hostile.

On second thought, I don't even remember what it was about but I remember the feeling of slight frustration. Not in the entitled sense but the sense that there didn't feel like an attempt to understand the concern from the other side.

Very vague but does anyone perhaps know what this event was again? I want to say, something about supporting local vaults? I dunno, that isn't even something I was concerned about.

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