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Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by fastball » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

xoa wrote: post #24

While this looks interesting, I'll admit I feel like there's been a bit of drift from their bread and butter over the years since they launched their cloud thing and started pushing hard towards a subscription model. I chose them long ago specifically over options like LastPass because I liked having a rich application without internet dependency and their attention to detail and features there, but it's been a while…

Very much agree.

My pet peeve at the moment is this[1], where they removed a feature I very much like (TouchID in the standalone browser extension) and still have yet to replace that functionality despite many promises that it is just around the corner. It was removed in August 2020.

Definitely feel like they've lost sight of why people chose them in the first place, and stuff like this is certainly not helping assuage my concerns.

[1] https://1password.community/discussion/115228/temporarily-re...

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by ShakataGaNai » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

This is very cool. I spent about 20 minutes playing with it and was successful in setting it up and getting some janky python code to work with it. The fact that it's a local sync daemon with local API, is super smart. No worries about cloud outages.

Is Hashicorp vault "better"? Probably. However for groups that don't have the time and resources for Vault, this is a great first step. Much better than what most do which is no proper secret storage.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by bombcar » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

dastx wrote: post #19

jagger27 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought AgileBits was pretty well respected around here. What dark patterns are you referring to?

I'm assuming he's referring to their beginnings of being a mostly local password manager (iirc they also had a one-off lifetime purchase), to forcing people to migrate to their cloud only infrastructure with a relatively high subscription price. I'd never heard of 1Password before they were fully SaaS, but as I understand it, some of the original users were pretty upset with this move. Either way, I used to be a 1Pas…

It's exactly this - the original switch to SaaS was a high price to pay for basically what you already had if you had local sync/dropbox setup.

They finally fixed many of the objections with the "family" SaaS subscription and it just works and the price may be "low enough" that I don't bother figuring out a way out of it - but it is still pretty much the perfect example of "locked in".

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by anaerobicover » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:00 PM UTC

dastx wrote: post #19

jagger27 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought AgileBits was pretty well respected around here. What dark patterns are you referring to?

I'm assuming he's referring to their beginnings of being a mostly local password manager (iirc they also had a one-off lifetime purchase), to forcing people to migrate to their cloud only infrastructure with a relatively high subscription price. I'd never heard of 1Password before they were fully SaaS, but as I understand it, some of the original users were pretty upset with this move. Either way, I used to be a 1Pas…

Yes, this. I don't have any problem with paying for updates, or even really a subscription. I have a problem with their hard push to "use our cloud", burying the abilities to not immediately create a cloud account, and the way they respond to customers in their forums when they ask about non-cloud options.

Ref: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20417832

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by 1cvmask » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

microdrum wrote: post #4

Hah. With the gimmicks, tricks, and dark patterns this company has pulled with consumer, what are the chances professionals would trust them with something like this?

What are the gimmicks, tricks and dark patterns you are referring to?

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by ruph123 » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:04 PM UTC

dastx wrote: post #19

jagger27 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought AgileBits was pretty well respected around here. What dark patterns are you referring to?

I'm assuming he's referring to their beginnings of being a mostly local password manager (iirc they also had a one-off lifetime purchase), to forcing people to migrate to their cloud only infrastructure with a relatively high subscription price. I'd never heard of 1Password before they were fully SaaS, but as I understand it, some of the original users were pretty upset with this move. Either way, I used to be a 1Pas…

I used 1Password for a long time. When they shifted to the SaaS model I left angrily. Over time I tried out several other programs such as Enpass (came close to the original 1pw), keepass varieties, Bitwarden but found myself back at 1Password this year. One big thing, which funny enough is another dark pattern I guess, is the family account feature. I allows me to take family members on and we can share certain passwords and I think even help recover an account. This is also important because 1PW is the most easy to use password manager and my mom was really struggling with Enpass.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by bastijn » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:06 PM UTC

bsamuels wrote: post #6

Here's to hoping there's finally a Hashicorp Vault competitor. It's shocking that the only mature option for runtime secret delivery is Vault after all these years. Some companies have created 'competitors', but they aren't even remotely mature (google secrets manager, aws secret manager, etc)

You also have options like https://www.doppler.com/.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by dteare » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:06 PM UTC

dastx wrote: post #30

wferrell wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you switch to if you stopped using 1Password?

Bitwarden. One of the big reasons for doing so was because when I left my company, they took my Mac away from me, so I invested in a new laptop, for me there was no way I was going for Windows or Mac. So Linux it is. 1Password at the time had extremely poor support for Linux - no desktop client, their 1PasswordX was missing a lot of features and was super slow too. I switched to Bitwarden because it's open source, an…

Thanks for sharing. I’m sorry it took us so long to release a native Linux app. We have a great app for Linux now in beta and will move it to an official release shortly.

https://blog.1password.com/1password-for-linux-beta-is-now-o...

I hope you can give us another chance.

—Dave 1Password Founder

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by ssully » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:08 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #33

dastx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming he's referring to their beginnings of being a mostly local password manager (iirc they also had a one-off lifetime purchase), to forcing people to migrate to their cloud only infrastructure with a relatively high subscription price. I'd never heard of 1Password before they were fully SaaS, but as I understand it, some of the original users were pretty upset with this move. Either way, I used to be a 1Pas…

It's exactly this - the original switch to SaaS was a high price to pay for basically what you already had if you had local sync/dropbox setup. They finally fixed many of the objections with the "family" SaaS subscription and it just works and the price may be "low enough" that I don't bother figuring out a way out of it - but it is still pretty much the perfect example of "locked in".

What do you mean by locked in? When I think of locked in, I imagine it being hard to cancel and move to another service. I switched to 1Password last year from LastPass and the first thing I checked was the process for exporting my data. It seemed on par with LassPass, which was very simple, so I made the switch.

Re: 1Password Secrets Automation

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Post by selykg » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:10 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #25

varikin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What gimmicks, tricks, and dark patterns are you referring to? I've been using 1Password for my personal accounts for probably close to 10 years and have been happy with it. There are some things I feel are clunky, but I've never felt like I was being tricked or deceived by the company.

"It used to be free but now you have to pay" is really the only dark pattern they are guilty of.

To be clear, 1Password has never really been "free." It has always been a paid product. Aside from the mobile apps being made free with limited features, it was previously a paid app, then with the massive push to 1Password's service they made it a lot less free and back to paid again.

If you really want to complain... complain about how they keep pushing for their subscription, making it harder and harder to find a one time purchase.

Or their massive issues with multiple browser extensions that are a complete mess for the average person.

Or how their usability has decreased substantially.

Or how they're less a consumer product and more a business product these days.