A top-grossing scam on the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by goonogle » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

jjtheblunt wrote: post #9

The assertion in that title is patently false click-bait. Apple definitely cares about its customers being driven away from them. That doesn't mean they've caught all scams, or more importantly in this case have managed to automate detection of them all, definitely not as fast as folks online identify them. Also note that there are entire classes of scams that never get click baity titles because Apple DOES detect th…

Apple Applogism in the flesh.

I wish I had people apologizing and defending my company. Not sure how Tesla/Apple does it.

Edit-per the reply comment, something more substantiative. op has post purchase Rationalization fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by goonogle » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

phreack wrote: post #5

So it's not just a scam, it's a scam pretending to be a medical app? The walled garden method has been proven a failure and needs to go urgently.

It's never been about quality. It's about control.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by ehsankia » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

jjtheblunt wrote: post #9

The assertion in that title is patently false click-bait. Apple definitely cares about its customers being driven away from them. That doesn't mean they've caught all scams, or more importantly in this case have managed to automate detection of them all, definitely not as fast as folks online identify them. Also note that there are entire classes of scams that never get click baity titles because Apple DOES detect th…

This is unfortunately the case for all content moderation online. May it be Apple, Youtube, Facebook, or any other large platform. People only get to see the very small fraction that slips through, but have no clue about the immense amount of bad content that does get caught and removed quickly.

It's also worth noting that there's almost a game of natural selection going on, with these scams evolving and adapting constantly to slip through the automated systems. So it's a never ending war with no end in sight.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by jasonlotito » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

jjtheblunt wrote: post #9

The assertion in that title is patently false click-bait. Apple definitely cares about its customers being driven away from them. That doesn't mean they've caught all scams, or more importantly in this case have managed to automate detection of them all, definitely not as fast as folks online identify them. Also note that there are entire classes of scams that never get click baity titles because Apple DOES detect th…

"Apple definitely cares about its customers being driven away from them."

"Apple doesn’t seem to care about top-grossing scams on the App Store"

Both can easily be true.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by BugsJustFindMe » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

goonogle wrote: post #11

jjtheblunt wrote: post #9

The assertion in that title is patently false click-bait. Apple definitely cares about its customers being driven away from them. That doesn't mean they've caught all scams, or more importantly in this case have managed to automate detection of them all, definitely not as fast as folks online identify them. Also note that there are entire classes of scams that never get click baity titles because Apple DOES detect th…

Apple Applogism in the flesh. I wish I had people apologizing and defending my company. Not sure how Tesla/Apple does it. Edit-per the reply comment, something more substantiative. op has post purchase Rationalization fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

> Apple Applogism in the flesh. I wish I had people apologizing and defending my company. Not sure how Tesla/Apple does it.

Your comment violates HN commenting rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

heavyset_go wrote: post #4

Apple and Google are poor stewards of the mobile app distribution market. It's time that their 13+ year stranglehold on app distribution is disrupted.

That would actually make the problem with scam apps even worse. Getting software on iOS is super easy and safe compared to Windows where you can install any program you like. The amount of scams, malware, etc that regular people get tricked into installing in Windows is immense.

An open ecosystem does have advantages, but reducing scam apps and malware is not one of them.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by goonogle » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #15

goonogle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Applogism in the flesh. I wish I had people apologizing and defending my company. Not sure how Tesla/Apple does it. Edit-per the reply comment, something more substantiative. op has post purchase Rationalization fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

> Apple Applogism in the flesh. I wish I had people apologizing and defending my company. Not sure how Tesla/Apple does it. Your comment violates HN commenting rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edited to add the fallacy op was making. That should be enough to make it a substantiative comment.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

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Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by vlovich123 » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:10 PM UTC

mason55 wrote: post #10

unicornfinder wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I was thinking last night about the parallels between this and the anti-trust investigation into Microsoft back in the 90s. Back then Microsoft was in a heap of trouble over the fact that they bundled IE and didn't allow vendors to bundle other alternative browsers. Users could still install other browsers, but the fact that the OS came bundled with IE was seen as an abuse of Microsoft's market position. Ye…

You said it yourself: > an abuse of Microsoft's market position Apple has no such market position to abuse. It's perfectly legal to put restrictions on your product. It's perfectly legal to be a monopoly. It's only a problem when you abuse your monopoly position to restrict competitors.

I wonder if just business size can be used here rather than monopoly position. If your business is above a certain size, then more restrictions apply to what you can do. The reasoning is that the bigger you are the more people you impact, regardless of your market position and poor behaviors of smaller players to compete with larger players is also an issue. The current economic model of monopolies is very limited in scope (only looks at pricing) whereas there are many negative externalities a business may have beyond just consumer prices. Look at the consumer unfriendly business practices that take hold in industries (eg 24hr fitness famously making it really hard to Vance their service, poor competition on the part of ISPs, etc).

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by sebastien_b » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:10 PM UTC

For a company that spent $6+ billion on a new campus, you'd think they could use even 1/60th of that to implement appropriate controls, especially when they're claiming it's "safe" and that's why it must be the only appstore on iOS.