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China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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They are probably not wrong. When you look at the infighting within the US that is front page news every day...the decline is in full swing. People care less about how to actually improve the country than they do about trying to hold entire professions accountable for the actions of a few (not just cops)...then we are focused on the wrong things. Spending hundreds of days protesting something instead of putting that…

> so far in 2021 there have been more homicides in Portland than there were in 2017 and 2018 and we are on track for over 100 homicides this year Out of curiosity, have any other items than "defund the police" happened in, say, March 2020 through the present, that might've affected crime rates?

Yes. High poverty is directly linked to an increase in crime. High unemployment leads to that.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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The west is in decline because progressive values don't promote strength. They focus on class and are inherently divisive. Ironically, they only blossom in strong societies. The decline will allow other societies with a more conservative philosophy to take over and it will be their turn in a few centuries to succumb to the same tragedy. The baizuo tragedy.

Wait. You mean the progressive 'knowledge worker', 'green energy', and 'service economy' focus that left millions under & unemployed wasn't a winning strategy?

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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post #24

With all of articles like this, I am puzzled how correct is this? Is it possible that China isn't really betting but only the Economist that think so? I mean Biden admin use the word 'China' to accelerate his wishes (infrastructure, stimulus and so on).

What other bet is there for China to make really? If the West were growing in power, they don't really have many options.

Not betting anything?

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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post #15

The west is in decline because progressive values don't promote strength. They focus on class and are inherently divisive. Ironically, they only blossom in strong societies. The decline will allow other societies with a more conservative philosophy to take over and it will be their turn in a few centuries to succumb to the same tragedy. The baizuo tragedy.

It is the most excruciating thing, to watch your nation self-immolate in a blaze of self-righteous naivete and stupidity. Maybe when we are old we will be able to say "I told you so." So at least there's that.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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post #15

The west is in decline because progressive values don't promote strength. They focus on class and are inherently divisive. Ironically, they only blossom in strong societies. The decline will allow other societies with a more conservative philosophy to take over and it will be their turn in a few centuries to succumb to the same tragedy. The baizuo tragedy.

I hate to break it to you, but progressive values aren't why the dictators of the world walked all over the US for the past 4 years.

Oh, like when Russia invaded Crimea?

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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post #15

The west is in decline because progressive values don't promote strength. They focus on class and are inherently divisive. Ironically, they only blossom in strong societies. The decline will allow other societies with a more conservative philosophy to take over and it will be their turn in a few centuries to succumb to the same tragedy. The baizuo tragedy.

> The west is in decline because progressive values don't promote strength.

Big reach. I think it's much less controversial to say it's in decline because of mindless consumerism, declining education budgets and corporate takeover of governance, which are hardly progressive.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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They are probably not wrong. When you look at the infighting within the US that is front page news every day...the decline is in full swing. People care less about how to actually improve the country than they do about trying to hold entire professions accountable for the actions of a few (not just cops)...then we are focused on the wrong things. Spending hundreds of days protesting something instead of putting that…

Did you entirely forget about the 60s? Domestic unrest and geopolitical power aren't that tightly connected. People have been saying the West is "in decline" for decades and it's almost always by people looking at chance in society as being some kind of negative force. The "social change misinterpreted as cultural decline" is basically a meme at this point.
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