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China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Post by rafale »

mrits wrote: post #10

I'd like to think that extreme racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry won't be a winning recipe. A lot of the advantages China has in their government is beneficial for competing with other nations but will eventually eat itself from within.

China promotes a monolithic Chinese identity above race and class. That's why they are called an ethnostate. It's the anti multiculturalism and it seems to be working for them for the most part. Despite the awful nazi grade stuff going on in some parts.

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Post by pasquinelli »

dcow wrote: post #3

If someone happened to agree with this analysis and was bearish on western liberalism, is there a place they should put their money in order to potentially profit?

have we found the reason the west may be in irreversible decline?

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Post by Daho0n »

It's very hard to disagree IMO. The west is in decline and unless something catastrophic happens in PRC or war breaks out (also pretty catastrophic) I can't see any future where the PRC isn't going to at least become on par with the US soon but most likely it will succeed it as top dog. The only question in my mind is where do the EU end up in all this and if Russia will become closer with PRC or EU.

IMO the biggest failure in all this is that the opposition to PRC's rise is the same old as we have seen before and it's very clear that it will fail. As an outsider to both the US and PRC it looks to me like the US does all it can to shoot itself in the foot continually for whatever reason while PRC is playing on a totally different level. Maybe because US policy are mostly only until next election?

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Post by cujo »

mrits wrote: post #10

I'd like to think that extreme racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry won't be a winning recipe. A lot of the advantages China has in their government is beneficial for competing with other nations but will eventually eat itself from within.

>extreme racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry won't be a winning recipe

Have you read the news about the "west" lately? US politics and Brexit are two biggies that seem to fall in line with this.

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Post by lisper »

mrits wrote: post #10

I'd like to think that extreme racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry won't be a winning recipe. A lot of the advantages China has in their government is beneficial for competing with other nations but will eventually eat itself from within.

I'd like to believe in Santa Claus. I'd say both of us have roughly the same odds of getting what we want.

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Post by Bayesian_bro »

We are declining because we are becoming more like China. More censorship, larger control of central government, currency manipulation. I actually see this as inevitable as you get a larger and larger population freedoms need to get reduced to maintain a stable society.

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Post by craig1f »

rafale wrote: post #15

The west is in decline because progressive values don't promote strength. They focus on class and are inherently divisive. Ironically, they only blossom in strong societies. The decline will allow other societies with a more conservative philosophy to take over and it will be their turn in a few centuries to succumb to the same tragedy. The baizuo tragedy.

Yes, because Trump was totally strong against other countries. He was a useless little bitch against China, Russia, North Korea, and anyone else willing to pay him a couple dollars to walk all over America.

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Post by Seanambers »

josefresco wrote: post #4
hundchenkatze wrote: post #2

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Thing is, i read maybe 10-20 different news sites, not to mention the plethora of other sites with curated and written content.

No normal person can afford to maintain that number of subscriptions.

I wonder what a fair price for a article that gets 20-30k views would be, not to mention 2-300k. The price per view should be so low that some kind of crypto payment could work.

A browser plugin with a crypto solution that autopays for content on newssites you'd preapproved or something - and you would be able to pay as you go on the web.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Post by Covzire »

throwastrike wrote: post #19

And I am betting that CCP will implode within the decade. If west is in decline please stop sending your top students abroad to study (and stay there). Great job promoting brain drain. I am tired of this unfounded narrative that the west is in decline. No, it’s not. It’s actually getting stronger by the day especially the US.

What indications are you seeing of this?
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