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Re: Just Be Rich

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post #645

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The obvious solution is to build more housing. We know how to do that! The obstacle is politics, not technology or economics.

The obvious solution is to make renting out properties illegal.

Assuming we went this route, housing prices would obviously fall in spectacular fashion. What do you suggest is done with the houses already rented out, does the government buy them from the owners? If so is it at a fair market pre-announcement rate or at a rate that causes losses to the owners, if for a loss what happens to the economy when those losses hit? What happens to the banks that own those mortgages? In addition why would you not now have massive amounts of empty housing as banks refuse to lend to unqualified buyers?

In addition, how do you account for the massive drop in new development that occurs as much fewer new houses are built as the housing prices are being deflated due to investment being banned? What about apartment buildings?

All genuine questions I would be interested in hearing a solution too?

Re: Just Be Rich

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It seems that the Graham's point (a trap in which the OP's critique falls) is that obscene riches are OK if they are not inherited. Following this logic, Hitler is better than the Queen of England because he earned his power instead of inheriting it!

In fact, the Industrial Revolution that he claims to be the last "time of entrepreneurship" created the the Dickensian's work conditions and such a strong class divide that lead to the worker's revolutions of the 19th and early 20th century, to the corresponding fascist counter-revolutions, and to two world wars. It is precisely in the following "boring time" of Keynesianism and the cold-war that the west and "the second world" experienced the highest sustainable growth period ever and that the masses had access, for the firs time, to minimally decent working conditions to create that thing we call "the middle class".

So in fact, Graham is right in that we see now again, like in the Industrial Revolution, a simultaneity of great technological disruption combined with a hegemonic neo-liberal ideology. This is leading lead a new rise of world-wide hyper-concentrated capital, job instability, more and more limited access to basic goods like housing, climate catastrophe, and a new class of capitalists that believe that they are above any sense of morality.

There is nothing to celebrate here but more of the opposite: good reason to be really scared of the future to come.

Re: Just Be Rich

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post #710

I'm just gonna quote what I think is a very important part from the Graham piece itself >" People who don't look any deeper than the Gini coefficient look back on the world of 1982 as the good old days, because those who got rich then didn't get as rich. But if you dig into how they got rich, the old days don't look so good. In 1982, 84% of the richest 100 people got rich by inheritance, extracting natural resources,…

> Because at least old money understands the concept of noblesse oblige . Sounds like it was written by someone who didn't grow up around "old money". There's plenty of statistical literature on this myth.

I didn't even realize that there was a myth like that.

Re: Just Be Rich

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"Silicon Valley money" also got you the Monterey Bay Aquarium, the Computer History Museum and lots of other nice things. You see a Hewlett, a Packard, or another legendary Silicon Valley name on almost every Nice Thing in the Bay Area.

That's like pointing to the free turkeys Mexican drug cartels give out on Christmas as an argument for letting them murder people.

My point was not whether vast fortunes per se are good or not, but whether "Silicon Valley money" is a completely different creature from "old money", and, in fact, there is quite a bit of "Silicon Valley money" that is being deployed in fairly conventional "old money" ways.

Re: Just Be Rich

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The problem is all down to the basic human need of a home. In the 70s and 80s even 90s someone on a teacher's salary could own their own home in a major world city - say London. Now, literally zero chance. Because homes have become an asset class and the rich can outbid regular people so they are pushed out. That's the problem. I couldn't care less how many billionaires there are if regular people can afford a decent…

In the US at least, I would put healthcare and education costs way above house prices as bigger problems.

The cost of healthcare is insane in the US. Recently had to put my family on cobra for a few months as I transitioned to a new job. $1500 a month for a family of 4. That is unsustainable.

Re: Just Be Rich

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post #724

Personally, I think anyone who amasses oh, say, 100 lifetimes of wealth and can't stop trying to get more has a mental illness. And I don't mean that for laughs. They have a sickness and are not well. If you've got a $300 million fortune, why can't you just go enjoy life already? It's not like enjoying your life by spending your money isn't going to also create jobs for other people. You don't need to be "a job creat…

The thing is, once you reach that level of wealth you’re surrounded by people that wealthy. There’s always someone richer and the cycle of competition never ends. The way to stop the cycle is WAY before 300 million. Stop it once you have enough to live in a nice house with a nice car and you have enough to live off of it for the rest of your life. You only need like 1-5million to do this depending on your circumstances.

Re: Just Be Rich

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OP mentions PG’s article arguing against a wealth tax. That article is short, simple and to the point - Modelling a Wealth Tax ( http://www.paulgraham.com/wtax.html ). It is so compelling, but also misleading and wrong. Its not easy to spot the sleights of hand he uses. I wrote more about it here - Modelling a Wealth Tax Correctly ( https://blog.nindalf.com/posts/wealth-tax/ ). And yet, I think the simplicity of PG’s…

One of the best satirical articles on SV I’ve ever read[0] nailed this exact subject perfectly: > Having figured out a font and mastered Altman’s Ratio, your next step is to find something to say. For outsiders this can seem daunting, but it’s very easy, since every one of Silicon Valley’s self-styled radicals thinks exactly the same way. In fact, when you study their output carefully, you’ll find endless variations…

That was a fantastic read, thanks for the link!

Re: Just Be Rich

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post #152

It's also worth noting that many startups are used to launder trust funds and family money. Daddy (or the family office) invests in my friends startup, I (I wish) get a job as "chief growth officer" or "chief of staff" or "COO" or similar - or even as an early stage dev. Daddy gets preference shares - ofc - I get early stage employee shares, Daddy gets a tax break and Daddy's investment ushers in Venture funding. Wit…

This is quite the skeptical take, but then again, a few startups ago I saw things that definitely suggested you are right. I often find myself wondering how some startups raise so much money. It’s tempting to think that VCs and many co-founders are playing an insider’s game. But even if so, this doesn’t imply malice or malfeasance. It implies what has always been true: tribes take care of their own in contrast to taking care of “the other”.

Of course, any VC, accelerator, or angel investor who desires success is going to work hard to make their investments identity-blind. But you can’t ignore that a startup’s success is affected by the breadth and depth of the cofounder’s network. Given two startups with equal talent, wouldn’t it be wiser to pick the cofounders who are sons and daughters with deep connections to the rich and powerful rather than the sons and daughters with no network? Objectively this is probably a rare edge-case. But startups are notoriously hard to evaluate objectively — it almost seems like a throw of the dice. This dynamic only strengthens the temptation to make judgments based on identity, as it is an easy and accurate judgment to make — are you one of us?

A large part of YC’s success is that they were able to choose winners based on merit rather than identity, because PG and team’s domain knowledge was “what it takes to be a successful startup.”

Is that the case today, when YC highlights their Alum network as a significant benefit to their startups? Presumably, YC has built a network based on merit rather than identity. But is the network itself strong enough to resist the temptation of relying on easy identity-evaluation rather than on hard merit-identification? Concretely — will two YC companies enter into business with one another due to shared identity rather than on measured merit?

There’s something really fascinating and subtle occurring here: the assumed coupling of merit with identity. Just as a good VC will try to avoid the lazy-thinking of identity-bound evaluation, I’m sure the YC alums strive to evaluate one another without reference to their shared heritage. But the temptation for a YC startup to outsource their decision-making to identity is amplified by the cognitive dissonance of trusting in their own YC-identity-as-merit while being skeptical of the other alums.

The aspiration to evaluate merit rather than identity is great, and is part of what makes America feel special to itself. But seems to me to be quite difficult to live up to that aspiration.

Re: Just Be Rich

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post #646
post #618

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That's buying a new house every 50 years. That's re-building all of the wealth your family spent generations accumulating, every 50 years. That's a direct disincentive to saving money and frugality - the more you save, the bigger your tax gets, while your income stays the same .

> re-building all of the wealth your family spent generations accumulating, every 50 years. Correct, that's the point. > the more you save, the bigger your tax gets, while your income stays the same. Only if you're a completely useless investor. Most people's income increases as their wealth increases. That's part of the problem. Especially the "r > g" question: are you growing the pie or simply sitting on a larger s…

Have you actually checked what's available in places like LA for $1m?

Re: Just Be Rich

#740
Question: What would it look like if the currency used to measure any of these statistics is being debased at an ever increasing rate of speed? Would not that make timing of obtaining one's wealth very, very important?

Second question: What would it look like if the person wondering about this lived in a land that expressed very clearly that there are rules for thee, but not for me? Would not that make many of the assumptions of a solid baseline not solid at all? And make the attempt at living within this structure rather flimsy, at best?

As I attempt to navigate forward, I find that many of the previous base assumptions no longer hold true...

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