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CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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> You can create all sorts of regulations but that will only harden the stance of crypto maxis because it will only prove them right. They can harden their stance all they want, but breaking the crypto ecosystem is incredibly easy if governments really wanted to. All you have to do is ban companies from interacting with crypto currencies in any form, be it accepting, exchanging, holding, or producing them. That would…

All they'd really have to do is announce that they were going to build enough computing power to initiate a 51 percent attack on bitcoin. I imagine the NSA is already there but it would be a nice cash injection for Intel or whatever. Bitcoin has a very, very short history of being a decent store of value and the US Government publicly saying they plan to break it would collapse the entire scheme.

Bitcoin can die tomorrow and crypto would still remain a $1T industry

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If you want bookkeeping where entries can be rewritten by designated parties, then why would you want ETH / distributed consensus? What does it give you in that case over the existing database with a public mirror? Also laws change. What you signed in an ETH contract today may be completely different than what's legal / possible to enforce tomorrow.

Because you trade and automate assets through contract logic. The benefits of contract composability on Ethereum mean that the velocity of money increases because now assets can be manipulated by logic without an intermediary. So if someone wants to borrow your asset, you can deposit it into a contract and now can lend it out peer to peer, and have interest acrue on an ongoing basis. Assets can be more easily "put to…

If we're after velocity / speed of movement, why not just add APIs to existing services. Changes would be immediate and required setup would be so much simpler.

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Crypto maximalists - and I know a LOT of them - are drawn to crypto because of ideology, not just the money. The idea that a person should own his/her own assets, be able to share and use them whenever they want, and be free from government censorship and foolhardy economic stewardship is incredibly powerful. When governments talk about banning crypto, what scares them isn't crypto; it's this ideology. And this ideol…

What you described as the ideals of crypto maximalists largely applies to fiat currency. Individuals "own" their own USD, are able to share and use as they please within the bounds of legality. Not sure what it means to "censor" currency, but if they consider governments' economic stewardship to be foolhardy, why would they consider the wisdom of miners, programmers or the crypto's regulating body to be superior? Wha…

> anonymity lets users skirt the government's laws, which has value to basically criminals

And dissidents and marginalized communities and activists and anyone living in an oppressive state.

Are you really trying to argue that anonymity is only valuable to criminals?

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Let me introduce you to the wonderful world of Hawala: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala The idea that cash can't be laundered because it is tangible is laughable.

I am not contesting that cash isn’t laundered. I am simply pointing out that whenever someone brings up crypto being utilized for money laundering the first argument is almost always “well cash is also used for money laundering” which is pretty weak. If you knew what people can do to launder money in shitcoins and bitcoins you would not make that argument. There’s a reason why Macau is no longer needed to get money o…

> There’s a reason why Macau is no longer needed to get money out of China

Why would letting people circumvent the laws of an oppressive state to move their assets to safer havens be a bad thing? If anything, this describes a bull case for Bitcoin - "use BTC to bypass your oppressive government!"

Unless we are pro oppressive governments here (which, by the comments, seems like a lot of people here are)...

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lol, it will prove them broke. The overwhelming majority of people own bitcoin because number go up. Banning it will make number not go up. This will cause them to divest. Substantially nobody is in it for the ancap utopia espoused by $20 transaction fees and 30 minute long confirmation times.

Yeah literally that has been my argument too. And I'm invested in this... because number go up. Ok, so govs ban exchanges and you have your stuff in cold storage. You have to buy/sell p2p? Are people gonna do that just to have this magical deflationary currency? Possibly... but idk.

Ever wondered why so many crypto projects come from China and Russia and former Soviet states?

Because people who live there know what oppressive governments can do and how unreliable fiat is. I don't think people in the developed world understand it because they haven't really faced oppressive governments.

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Sigh, you made me regret responding to your initial question. FWIW commercial banks have had negative interest rates for a few years now. https://www.truewealth.ch/en/blog/negative-interest-switzerl...

You completely ignore my point and instead provided a proof for what no one questioned.

The regret only grows. Now I'm torn between trying to explain the concept of imaginary scenarios where the scope is limited and crafting a statement with a hidden insult somewhere.

If this were a party conversation, imagine me walking away rolling my eyes and shaking my head...

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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Yeah literally that has been my argument too. And I'm invested in this... because number go up. Ok, so govs ban exchanges and you have your stuff in cold storage. You have to buy/sell p2p? Are people gonna do that just to have this magical deflationary currency? Possibly... but idk.

Ever wondered why so many crypto projects come from China and Russia and former Soviet states? Because people who live there know what oppressive governments can do and how unreliable fiat is. I don't think people in the developed world understand it because they haven't really faced oppressive governments.

Are you sure it’s not because that’s where scams and cyber attacks against the west come from?

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lol, it will prove them broke. The overwhelming majority of people own bitcoin because number go up. Banning it will make number not go up. This will cause them to divest. Substantially nobody is in it for the ancap utopia espoused by $20 transaction fees and 30 minute long confirmation times.

If that happens and people don't get mad, it will be truly, truly sad. Most people here are pro ownership. If you think everyone should own their data (they should), why wouldn't you think that everyone should also own their money? Crypto might be a 'scam', but at least I get to own the risks. Giving up ownership means that my money is just used by bankers to invest in their own scams, and when they screw up, bail th…

Well that’s easy to say when everything’s is going your way haha, as soon as bitconnect and gox and quadriga hit the fan the first thing people did was yell “help! Police!! Why didn’t anyone stop this?!” That’s exactly what’s going to happen with tether.

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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Ever wondered why so many crypto projects come from China and Russia and former Soviet states? Because people who live there know what oppressive governments can do and how unreliable fiat is. I don't think people in the developed world understand it because they haven't really faced oppressive governments.

Are you sure it’s not because that’s where scams and cyber attacks against the west come from?

Yessir, it's surely because of that and not because of the complete state collapse a lot of these people witnessed first hand.

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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If that happens and people don't get mad, it will be truly, truly sad. Most people here are pro ownership. If you think everyone should own their data (they should), why wouldn't you think that everyone should also own their money? Crypto might be a 'scam', but at least I get to own the risks. Giving up ownership means that my money is just used by bankers to invest in their own scams, and when they screw up, bail th…

Well that’s easy to say when everything’s is going your way haha, as soon as bitconnect and gox and quadriga hit the fan the first thing people did was yell “help! Police!! Why didn’t anyone stop this?!” That’s exactly what’s going to happen with tether.

And I would still be fine with it because, again, my money, my risk.

You have a chance to disrupt an ageing, slow legacy industry - banking - and most people here are rooting for the dinosaurs. Amazing!

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