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Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

> Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google? Not as long as you're maintaining an active relationship with them. First step is to break up and stop using their services entirely.

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Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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it's funny how when you open an article criticizing how Facebook tracks you the first thing you have to do is go through 70 pages to tell the site you're reading the article on to not track you.

The fucking article even mentions how many trackers are on Gizmodo, and then says "BUT THATS NORMAL ITS ON EVERY SITE YOU GO TO!" The author writes a piece and shits all over Facebook, and then goes on to minimize it when it comes to them doing it.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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This is the main point the article is making:

> The only thing you’re clearing is a connection Facebook made between its data and the data it gets from third parties, not the data itself.

However this is not the main privacy issue with Facebook in my opinion. Even if Facebook users could legitimately clear their third party data entirely, they still can't easily clear their own first party data (posts, photos, searches, likes, Instagram activity, etc). Right now, you have to go click "delete" in your activity log one-by-one on individual posts. This is so time consuming and manual that most users will never do it - which is of course by design.

There is a plugin that helped users delete their Facebook content (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/social-book-post-m...), by letting you select the time period and type of content you want to delete. However, Facebook repeatedly breaks it by changing the page design for seemingly no real reason. The cat and mouse updates worked for a while but this extension has not been updated since 2019. Some creative people then built a second extension that switches Facebook to an older layout (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/switch-to-classic-...) and this allowed the above history clearing extension to work. But then Facebook made an even more drastic redesign of the Activity Log, which broke this approach of using a second extension in conjunction with the first.

Can any enterprising HN code ninja help solve this problem? I think we need a suite of tools to help users easily clear their history from all social media platform, whether it is Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or whatever. Ideally we'd have a law requiring such controls be provided to users but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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Can Facebook legitimately pivot into any other service/product and still make money? It seems like they're always going to be at odds with privacy/public trust. One one hand, it is extremely sad to see talented engineers at Google/FB work hard on products designed to spy on people, but OTOH, I suppose it could be far worse if these were companies who simply sold our data.

Quite true, it is their business model. There are so many talented engineers using their great talent on ways to gather advertising data. I wonder what will happen when their business model is no longer viable? Do they then begin the pivot of selling our data to anyone?

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Can Facebook legitimately pivot into any other service/product and still make money? It seems like they're always going to be at odds with privacy/public trust. One one hand, it is extremely sad to see talented engineers at Google/FB work hard on products designed to spy on people, but OTOH, I suppose it could be far worse if these were companies who simply sold our data.

The Facebook Portal seemed like an attempt to make a product less dependent on ad revenue; unfortunately, the fundamental nature of it made people really distrustful of it. This is also why I'm closely watching what they do with Oculus.

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

> Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google? Not as long as you're maintaining an active relationship with them. First step is to break up and stop using their services entirely.

You do not need any relationship in order to have a shadow profile on Facebook.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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Can Facebook legitimately pivot into any other service/product and still make money? It seems like they're always going to be at odds with privacy/public trust. One one hand, it is extremely sad to see talented engineers at Google/FB work hard on products designed to spy on people, but OTOH, I suppose it could be far worse if these were companies who simply sold our data.

as a ~40yr old it feels like the greatest disappointment of my generation is that most of our brain power went towards making better spyware, click tracking, etc, all in the name of maximizing ad revenue and click through.

I think there are several parallels in other industries - financial, pharma, etc. Very smart people, working on products that are (on some axis) detrimental to our society (or at-least one vision of what a society should look like).

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

If you're a European citizen, then you can invoke your legal right to erasure.

Not really: https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/.
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