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Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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So as someone who has heard about Elasticsearch for years and years, and seen all this, right this moment I've decided to see what it really is. On their home page, "Why use Elastic search?", the reasons are basically: * It's fast! * It does a lot of stuff! * It has some tools to visualize data! * It's distributed!! I have to say this is not very appealing to me since it sounds like something any database could do.

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Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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post #84

So as someone who has heard about Elasticsearch for years and years, and seen all this, right this moment I've decided to see what it really is. On their home page, "Why use Elastic search?", the reasons are basically: * It's fast! * It does a lot of stuff! * It has some tools to visualize data! * It's distributed!! I have to say this is not very appealing to me since it sounds like something any database could do.

You're starting from the wrong place if you're comparing Elasticsearch with a database. And you're also arriving at the wrong place if you think that any database can be distributed.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

#94

It's hard for me to know whether to feel bad for ES in this case. Did they bring it on themselves? Is Amazon too big and a bully? From my perspective, Amazon has made most of its profit price gouging consumers on bandwidth after vendor locking them into their ecosystem, where they bootstrap new services by wrapping open source software with some provisioning scripts, management dashboards and cookie-cutter API / cons…

It sounds trivial to "wrap open source software", but surprisingly it is big value-add to thousands of companies. We can't just look at successful companies like Netflix to downplay the challenges of operating a service. Not every company knows how to operate complex systems under manageable cost. How many companies can really manage a Kafka cluster, let alone scaling it, for instance? Indeed, even companies that people deem powerful may screw up, if they don't get their culture or process right. Take Uber for example, for god damn five years, they still couldn't offer a service like EC2, let alone supporting persistent volumes. They still couldn't make their database provisioning on demand via an API. Their MySQL-based NoSQL solution was still based on FriendFeed's architecture and the APIs were hard to use. Yet they spent millions building a k8s replacement, building a GPU database, switching from mysql to postgres and back to mysql, etc and etc. So, yes, cloud companies like AWS buildd mere control planes to wrap open-source software, yet such seemingly mundane offering does bring values to many customers.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

#95

It's hard for me to know whether to feel bad for ES in this case. Did they bring it on themselves? Is Amazon too big and a bully? From my perspective, Amazon has made most of its profit price gouging consumers on bandwidth after vendor locking them into their ecosystem, where they bootstrap new services by wrapping open source software with some provisioning scripts, management dashboards and cookie-cutter API / cons…

> Is Amazon too big and a bully?

Is Starbucks too big and a bully? Sure, they force Mom and Pop shops to close by out-competing them, and that sucks. But bullying? I believe that's just Capitalism.

Or say you're 6'6 and weigh 230LBS and you join a football team full of people who are 5'9 and 175lbs. Are you a bully just because you're bigger?

ES basically handed them a platter with a goose laying golden eggs and a sign that read "Free Goose" and hoped they wouldn't try to make money off the eggs.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

#96
Imagine if they went after Mongo next?

Atlas is a virtual monopoly for Mongo solely due to SSPL, and it has created a ridiculously overpriced ecosystem for hosted and managed services, and tooling around it.

Parking the technical merits to one side, considering the sheer number of devs and early-stage products that are built on Mongo, I'd love for someone to go after them next.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

#99

I have mixed feelings about this server side license stuff that mongo db started. Imagine where the internet would be today if the creators of apache and mysql had tried to prevent shared hosting providers in the early days of the web from using their software

The server side license stuff doesn't prevent shared hosting providers from using software. It just requires hosting providers to open source their infrastructure.

I think the internet would be even better today, if shared hosting providers had been sharing infrastructure technology since 25 years ago.

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