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Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

#111
Off topic.

Last week wife got an email that her Facebook was logged into. Told her to open app and change password immediately.

Too late. Account email and phone number already changed. No way to use old ones to get control back.

15 year old account with a huge amount of memories gone.

Best possible was to indicate a problem, so account is disabled. But no way to use it anymore.

Apparently this has happened to around half of her cohorts. It’s now part of life to just make new accounts periodically.

Utterly shocking that account email and phone can be changed in 20 minutes and no way to change them back.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

#112
post #34

> The investigation shows how Facebook has allowed major abuses of its platform in poor, small and non-western countries in order to prioritize addressing abuses that attract media attention or affect the US and other wealthy countries. The company acted quickly to address political manipulation affecting countries such as the US, Taiwan, South Korea and Poland, while moving slowly or not at all on cases in Afghanist…

Not pertinent to the main issue, but I just find it funny how the guardian never forgets to include such “facts” about countries: “poor, small and non-western countries”. Does similarly when it talks about racial “equality” up to the point its readership will pretty much always associate certain countries and ethnicities with poverty. Basically, promoting stereotypes.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've learnt those blaming the evil "MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!!!" are rarely worth listening to. You know why it's mainstream? Because it's nuanced, and well-researched and run by actual real-life journalists. You know what you're left with when the media is no longer mainstream? The extremes.

> You know why it's mainstream? Because it's nuanced, and well-researched Ahem. “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presen…

The problem with this quote is twofold:

1. It assumes that inexperience in reporting correlates well across disciplines (i.e. if you read one badly researched physics article, it means the sports pages are similarly bullshit)

2. It assumes the existence of better-informed alternative media

In the particular case Crichton cites, it's entirely reasonable to assume a news outfit might have better reporting on Palestine then on physics, if only because politicians have an incentive to talk to news outfits where scientists might not. In fact, much of journalistic ethics and process revolves around trying to determine political "truth", as much as something like that can exist. Conversely, there are plenty of scientists who can explain the details of the Standard Model or Quantum Field Theory; but don't have a single clue as to how trade negotiations work or why we sided with Saudi Arabia despite them not sharing our values one bit.

Michael Crichton assumes knowledge is an RPG stat and that if a newspaper fails a knowledge roll once we should discard the paper because it's writers didn't put enough points into INT.

Second, most alternative media I've encountered does no better on the "wet streets cause rain" problem. Actually, my experience is that they're more prone to shoddy reporting, because their goal isn't to try and find out something approaching the truth. It's to sell me a series of plausible lies that lead up to their particular political bias.

For example, let's talk about climate science. It's a demonstrable fact that the Earth is warming due to human activity, but there's multiple ways one can be wrong about that. The kind of inaccurate reporting I'd expect to see out of a mainstream outfit would be something like "CO2 causes ozone depletion". A right-wing alternative rag would instead try to deny the science altogether, either by casting FUD on the scientific process or worse. The former is something that might be technically incorrect, but the latter is deliberately trying to convince me that black is white, up is down, and short is long.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

#114

This would have not be a problem if there was no algorithm to show you the top stories. Just show the stories in chronological order - let the users think before subscribing to 1000 pages and having 800 friends.

But users want the most interesting or important or relevant content to be highlighted.

It seems like Facebook users don’t have a choice in which content gets highlighted. I would much prefer a simple chronological feed of only posts from my friends and followed list.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

#116
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poor and Small are comparatives. Compared to the UK, USA, France, Italy, Germany, China, Russia and on and on: Azerbaijan is poor and small. It ranks 112th in the world for size, 99th for population, 86th for GDP. When comparing things, especially when it's relevant to the subject (facebook doesn't care about comparatively small and poor countries) then it is not offensive. Unless you want to take offence.

It's average, about the population size of Sweden, would anyone call sweden small? The problem is that the title deflects from the issue which is not that these countries are poor (Azb is rich enough to run an extensive laundering operation to whitewash their corruption). Facebook does the same in Turkey for example, and who knows how many other countries.

Yes, people definitely call Sweden small.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But users want the most interesting or important or relevant content to be highlighted.

It seems like Facebook users don’t have a choice in which content gets highlighted. I would much prefer a simple chronological feed of only posts from my friends and followed list.

yeah. it's like we don't get an honest say in what we get to see. Like advertising, heheh.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

#119
post #55

The Guardian, and a few other outfits in global media sold its readership very hard on the "Gadhafi killing his own people" fallacy to enable Islamist gangs to plunder and maim and kill and ruin the societal fabric of Libya (and a few southern neighbors). Since then, Libya is a wasteland, its inhabitants enslaved as a whole (as opposed to the few political (read Islamists) prisoners' under the Gadhafi dictatorship),…

MSM of course has played a huge role in many negative things that have happened across the world, but to say we should hold off on any FB "hate" because of this seems weird? Also for most people FB has a bigger impact on their perception of the world than any MSM and their impact is only growing (while many MSM are struggling to survive).

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

#120
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poor and Small are comparatives. Compared to the UK, USA, France, Italy, Germany, China, Russia and on and on: Azerbaijan is poor and small. It ranks 112th in the world for size, 99th for population, 86th for GDP. When comparing things, especially when it's relevant to the subject (facebook doesn't care about comparatively small and poor countries) then it is not offensive. Unless you want to take offence.

It's average, about the population size of Sweden, would anyone call sweden small? The problem is that the title deflects from the issue which is not that these countries are poor (Azb is rich enough to run an extensive laundering operation to whitewash their corruption). Facebook does the same in Turkey for example, and who knows how many other countries.

> would anyone call sweden small?

Yes. I think everyone calls Sweden small. Probably even Swedes themselves. Sweden is small and rich.

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