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Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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The Guardian, and a few other outfits in global media sold its readership very hard on the "Gadhafi killing his own people" fallacy to enable Islamist gangs to plunder and maim and kill and ruin the societal fabric of Libya (and a few southern neighbors). Since then, Libya is a wasteland, its inhabitants enslaved as a whole (as opposed to the few political (read Islamists) prisoners' under the Gadhafi dictatorship),…

But the Lybia revolution against Ghaddafi wasn't fought or financed only by the Guardian's readers. For instance, with unemployment at 30%, maybe the population just had nothing else to try than the removal of their dictator like neighbor Tunisia had just done.

I agree with you "western" (let's say democratic instead) medias are very biased. I live in Hong Kong and I couldn't believe what I was reading in british media about our "oppression" while kids were breaking the pavement down my road and doing V for vendetta graffiti under the cries of "Fuck the Popo".

But all in all, it's fine, to be honest. We don't ask media to be without bias, but to be clear about them. We know somewhat the editorial position of the Guardian, they're one opinion amongst many.

What turn countries into rubbles, is when people can't understand who's telling them what. Facebook is too blurry, you don't know if it's your sister, a CIA agent or a FSB one talking to you about a solution to a problem. People get angry in closed networks, that echo and echo until they feel the entire population think the same way. And you can't really calm them down with deep and complex analysis because while anger is easy to spread with a quick BS meme, calming down people requires focus, dual way communication and effort on every side.

That's what happened to HK at a small scale, a sort of irrational mass anger, but that's not what happened in Lybia. Simply because in Lybia, people weren't the richest most powerful people on the planet. They tried the last resort solution, they won somewhat, now after the destruction they have to rebuild and they're learning it's way harder. We've all been through these phases, no need to argue the Guardian caused it :) I'd be partial to Facebook though :D

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Yes. We need a hell of a lot less destructive criticism that leads to war.

That is why I'm anti-Facebook. Remember the role they played in the Myanmar genocide?

Which genocide are you referring to?

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #55

The Guardian, and a few other outfits in global media sold its readership very hard on the "Gadhafi killing his own people" fallacy to enable Islamist gangs to plunder and maim and kill and ruin the societal fabric of Libya (and a few southern neighbors). Since then, Libya is a wasteland, its inhabitants enslaved as a whole (as opposed to the few political (read Islamists) prisoners' under the Gadhafi dictatorship),…

But the Lybia revolution against Ghaddafi wasn't fought or financed only by the Guardian's readers. For instance, with unemployment at 30%, maybe the population just had nothing else to try than the removal of their dictator like neighbor Tunisia had just done. I agree with you "western" (let's say democratic instead) medias are very biased. I live in Hong Kong and I couldn't believe what I was reading in british med…

There was never a popular upheaval in Lybia, the Islamists were offered to dismember the country by a few European powers (mainly France and the UK) with Arab allies for good optics (Qatar). https://iai.tv/articles/why-they-killed-gaddafi-auid-1757

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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I have no grudge against The Guardian in particular, I have a grudge against ALL media (purporting to be 'left' leaning) that fed us lies (under the guise of R2P) to ease most wars and imperialist adventures. This post links to The Guardian, and The Guardian was most vociferous in the destruction of Libya (and Syria).

...so who the hell DO you get your news from?

Nothing original really: many, many, many sources, and I believe/disbelieve none completely. Triangulation process.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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The Guardian, and a few other outfits in global media sold its readership very hard on the "Gadhafi killing his own people" fallacy to enable Islamist gangs to plunder and maim and kill and ruin the societal fabric of Libya (and a few southern neighbors). Since then, Libya is a wasteland, its inhabitants enslaved as a whole (as opposed to the few political (read Islamists) prisoners' under the Gadhafi dictatorship),…

Hmmm, strange that you and other FB defenders aren't actually discussing the claims in the article. Instead, you want to turn everything into a vague, abstract "new tech vs old media" battle. Both can have their problems.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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The Guardian, and a few other outfits in global media sold its readership very hard on the "Gadhafi killing his own people" fallacy to enable Islamist gangs to plunder and maim and kill and ruin the societal fabric of Libya (and a few southern neighbors). Since then, Libya is a wasteland, its inhabitants enslaved as a whole (as opposed to the few political (read Islamists) prisoners' under the Gadhafi dictatorship),…

I've learnt those blaming the evil "MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!!!" are rarely worth listening to.

You know why it's mainstream? Because it's nuanced, and well-researched and run by actual real-life journalists.

You know what you're left with when the media is no longer mainstream? The extremes.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #55

The Guardian, and a few other outfits in global media sold its readership very hard on the "Gadhafi killing his own people" fallacy to enable Islamist gangs to plunder and maim and kill and ruin the societal fabric of Libya (and a few southern neighbors). Since then, Libya is a wasteland, its inhabitants enslaved as a whole (as opposed to the few political (read Islamists) prisoners' under the Gadhafi dictatorship),…

I've learnt those blaming the evil "MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!!!" are rarely worth listening to. You know why it's mainstream? Because it's nuanced, and well-researched and run by actual real-life journalists. You know what you're left with when the media is no longer mainstream? The extremes.

As a victim of war myself, I beg to disagree with you.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Lybia revolution against Ghaddafi wasn't fought or financed only by the Guardian's readers. For instance, with unemployment at 30%, maybe the population just had nothing else to try than the removal of their dictator like neighbor Tunisia had just done. I agree with you "western" (let's say democratic instead) medias are very biased. I live in Hong Kong and I couldn't believe what I was reading in british med…

There was never a popular upheaval in Lybia, the Islamists were offered to dismember the country by a few European powers (mainly France and the UK) with Arab allies for good optics (Qatar). https://iai.tv/articles/why-they-killed-gaddafi-auid-1757

Your source makes reference to an email which is no longer available, thanks to a dead link.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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The Guardian, and a few other outfits in global media sold its readership very hard on the "Gadhafi killing his own people" fallacy to enable Islamist gangs to plunder and maim and kill and ruin the societal fabric of Libya (and a few southern neighbors). Since then, Libya is a wasteland, its inhabitants enslaved as a whole (as opposed to the few political (read Islamists) prisoners' under the Gadhafi dictatorship),…

I've learnt those blaming the evil "MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!!!" are rarely worth listening to. You know why it's mainstream? Because it's nuanced, and well-researched and run by actual real-life journalists. You know what you're left with when the media is no longer mainstream? The extremes.

The Guardian is not nuanced or well-researching and it's ran by receiving funding from billionaires in order to push public opinion. They are also considered mainstream media by any rational person.

Which "Mainstream media" outlets do you consider to be nuanced and well-researched?

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