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Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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I think we need a new journalism. One that can avoid the last 20 years of structured news. Though I think this is impossible now. Not without an outsized reaction by the population that doesn't even care.

Facebook exists because most people can accept those crimes committed against them. They really don't even understand them all. Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal. Nothing surprises me anymore

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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From the Guardian article https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/12/facebook-...:

> "But it quickly became clear that no one was interested in taking responsibility for policing the abuses of the president of a poor nation with just 4.5m Facebook users. The message she received from all corners – including from threat intelligence, the small and elite team of investigators responsible for uncovering CIB campaigns – was that the abuses were bad, but resources were tight, and, absent any external pressure, Honduras was simply not a priority."

We can assume that hostile nations have known this for awhile, and they have also been exploiting this. This is tragic but true.

Sophie Zhang is a hero.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #4

I wonder if writers of articles like this are aware of the complexity of a problem like this, algorithmically, legally and ethically. All 3 are insanely difficult.

Despite the fact the article makes it clear this problem is way to detect, it doesn’t matter. Facebook created the problem, they don’t get to just say, “it’s too hard” and throw their hands up. If they can’t fix it then they should scale back their operations until it’s a manageable size.

Imagine I’m out in a park firing guns into the air and you come up to me and say, “don’t you know those bullets might come down somewhere and hurt someone?” And I say, “do you know how hard it would be for me to calculate exactly where each bullet would land and where I can aim it safely?” Would you just walk away and say, “oh yeah, that’s too hard of a problem to solve, carry on”?

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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I think we need a new journalism. One that can avoid the last 20 years of structured news. Though I think this is impossible now. Not without an outsized reaction by the population that doesn't even care. Facebook exists because most people can accept those crimes committed against them. They really don't even understand them all. Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal. Nothing surprises me anymore

> Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal. Nothing surprises me anymore

Why would that surprise anyone? He had Moxie implement the Signal protocol in WhatsApp.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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I think we need a new journalism. One that can avoid the last 20 years of structured news. Though I think this is impossible now. Not without an outsized reaction by the population that doesn't even care. Facebook exists because most people can accept those crimes committed against them. They really don't even understand them all. Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal. Nothing surprises me anymore

> Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal

Was this ever confirmed?

Is it possible Zuckerberg just installed it to check out the competition? Is it possible he has it installed as a WhatsApp backup, if FB/WhatsApp is down (exactly the sort of thing the CEO of FB/WhatsApp needs to be prepared for)?

And we've concluded "Zuckerberg uses Signal"?

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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I think we need a new journalism. One that can avoid the last 20 years of structured news. Though I think this is impossible now. Not without an outsized reaction by the population that doesn't even care. Facebook exists because most people can accept those crimes committed against them. They really don't even understand them all. Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal. Nothing surprises me anymore

We don't need a new journalism, we need a new economic model to support the old old journalism (pre-1990s).

The three foundational planks that we've since lost are (1) strong newsroom editorial control of content, independent of revenue, (2) long form & investigative journalism as a stable, viable profession, & (3) journalists and journalism outlets with reputation (able to counter-balance the weight of those they report on).

The greatest tragedy of Google and Facebook has been that they appropriated advertising money that used to support actual journalism, and in return offered us free social and utility apps, but definitely not journalism.

IMHO, we should just say the hell with it, tax advertising revenue, and fund journalism as a public good.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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There was never any point in facebook being any "force for good" or "revolution" as people might have hoped for. If you read investors reflections on early FB days strategic meetings, you see the picture much more clearly. Tech gets cheap, people are dumb, surveillance pays, what's not to like about this business?

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Facebook shouldn't moderate anything;

Facebook content should drop in value to where it belongs: personal updates from friends and funny videos;

People need to start voting on actual policies each politician/party proposes, not based on Facebook information from unknown accounts.

Will that be enough?

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #20

Better headline: ex employee thinks there are too many fake Facebook pages accounts

But you think that's not a problem? That fake accounts that signal boost support for political figures is fine election campaigning?

It is and actions were taken:

“As a result, we’ve taken down more than 100 networks of coordinated inauthentic behavior. Around half of them were domestic networks that operated in countries around the world, including those in Latin America, the Middle East and North Africa, and in the Asia Pacific region.”

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