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Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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What a pleasant surprise to find this article at the top of HN! Minutes ago I finished a workshop on a somatic therapy technique. It's a relief to see these ideas gaining mainstream attention after so many years of making little progress on my own anxiety, depression, and procrastination. For other relevant scientific perspectives, I recommend looking into the theory around "memory reconsolidation." - Kaj Sotala does…

Great summary, thank you for sharing!

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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> Not only did all that talking not do much to alleviate anxiety, but it could also even have made it more acute.

If you’re going to go counter to a large body of scientific evidence (re efficacy of CBT), ya need something stronger than the thoughts of some people trying to hawk products, ya know?

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminded me of a passage from Sapiens on Buddah. "...Gautama Buddah found that there was a way to exit this vicious circle. If, when the mind experiences something pleasant or unpleasant, it simply understand things as they are, then there is no suffering. If you experience sadness without craving that the sadness go away, you continue to feel sadness but you do not suffer from it. There can actually be richness in t…

I wonder if that is why we like music. We can experience emotions without worrying that they are permanent or need to be resolved.

This is along the lines of how I've come to think of music; music is a temporary emotional stimulant.

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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I was almost 30 when I had my first ever panic attack. I was alone and convinced it was a heart attack, called 911, and felt fine by the time the ambulance reached the hospital. Embarrassed, I was ready to brush it off, but instead saw a therapist for the first time. She took out a stopwatch and had me breathe through a narrow straw. Within seconds, my face and limbs went completely numb; I couldn't move, and was ama…

Why did breathing through the straw cause that reaction?

Maybe relevant

> Klein is a professor of psychiatry who studies the delightful field of “experimental panicogens”, ie chemicals that cause panic attacks if you inject them in someone. These include lactate, bicarbonate, and carbon dioxide, all of which naturally occur in the body under conditions of decreased respiration.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/05/the-case-of-the-suffoc...

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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Who in their right mind would take their psychological advice from a fiction writer?!? First, no, anxiety is not in your body. Fear, just like any other emotion is in your brain. You might get physiological responses in the form of chemicals in your body. That is an effect, not a cause. Second, neocortex is not "thinking brain," its role is to manage social interactions. Cognition is a small part of that. Third, mind…

> mindfulness is the opposite of any therapy I can think of. It is an ego-depletion technique proven to be detrimental to people suffering from anxiety and depression.

This is simply not true. Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) are two evidence-based, heavily researched forms of therapy that are intimately connected with mindfulness.

Second, I encourage you to cite the studies that back your claim that mindfulness is detrimental to people suffering from anxiety and depression. I'm not saying your claim is untrue, but such a claim does warrant backing.

> when you have an anxiety attack, the only thing you can do is to perform the grounding exercises.

Also not true. There are many things you can do in addition to or instead of grounding exercises. One is to simply allow it to happen or even try to make the panic worse. Paradoxically, that has been shown to ease the panic attack. I have personally experienced this multiple times. It takes a little practice but it is very effective.

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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post #36

I was almost 30 when I had my first ever panic attack. I was alone and convinced it was a heart attack, called 911, and felt fine by the time the ambulance reached the hospital. Embarrassed, I was ready to brush it off, but instead saw a therapist for the first time. She took out a stopwatch and had me breathe through a narrow straw. Within seconds, my face and limbs went completely numb; I couldn't move, and was ama…

What did she do after the straw demonstration? Did she have something to help or she just wanted you to know what it feels like?

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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I think the advice of focusing on how to turn anxiety symptoms down and moderate physical responses are fine, but it's kind of missing the point, at least for serious cases of anxiety. I suffered pretty badly from it in my early 20s (apparently typical age for this kind of stuff), and you go very quickly from particular anxiety attacks being the issue, to fear of anxiety itself being the bigger issue. An anxiety/pani…

Try changing your thought process a little bit. Tell yourself that you’re bigger than anxiety.

Remember friend, things aren’t happening to you, you’re happening to things.

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just realized that there was nothing I could really do about anxiety or the physical symptoms that came along with it. I decided to mostly try to quit noticing and thinking about it. And that really helped. I think this is mission accomplished from your mindfulness practice, you realized that you're not really doing anything and that anxiety just appears, you accepted it and it felt better.

There are some problems with that type of approach - there are some things that won't vanish, if you stop thinking about them.

One can either become the anxiety (you're wrapped up in it), or be conscious of it's presence as an observer (more like a third party observer).

Personally, I prefer the latter.

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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Personal anecdote. Just a few days ago, when I was feeling anxious, I just stayed firm at my desk, and firmly approaching the situation without the thought of giving up, even if I couldn't solve the problem, I felt, I could control my anxiety a little better.

There is a term I heard once for what you did: "Disobey the fear." You want to run from the anxiety, but at the same time, you logically know you're not really in any danger. Disobeying that urge to run re-trains your body such that after a little practice, the fear comes and goes, often barely registering in your conscious mind.

Re: Anxiety is in your body, not your mind

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I had anxiety for the first time in my life recently in the form of pain in my upper left chest. From a new job I hate (but pays well) and added to that my dad is very sick.

Worse still is I'm the age my grandfather and his son (my uncle) died.

I've read how people who have major stress in their lives develop a reduced ability to cope with stress. That seems like a terrible spiral downward.

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