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Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

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Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#51
Stories like this are clearly intended to support the politics behind raising the min wage...and Business Insider is a known propaganda machine for the left.

What the story intentionally doesn't point out is that a hike in minimum wage wouldn't impact Wall Street bonuses whatsoever (or business exec salary/bonuses). The cost would be shifted to non-unionized middle class workers, such as software devs via wage stagnation and reduced benefit quality while at the same time inflation would soar causing reduced purchasing power of that salary.

You think people at the top care if there's one big lower class?

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#52
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NZ just raised our min wage to $20 an hour. I work at least 50 hours a week. A teenager at MacDonalds now earns a good fraction of my income if they work the same hours. Despite my 4 year degree, near decade of experience and the responsibility's that I hold.

Yes. It's your wage that's the issue, not theirs. Feeling like you deserve more, should never be a reason to deprive others. New Zealands cost of living is extremely high, and wages need to be commensurate to allow ordinary social reproduction - marriage, children, rent, groceries.

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#53
post #14

NZ just raised our min wage to $20 an hour. I work at least 50 hours a week. A teenager at MacDonalds now earns a good fraction of my income if they work the same hours. Despite my 4 year degree, near decade of experience and the responsibility's that I hold.

If it helps, a robot will be doing their job in 5 years.

No it won't. A human will be flipping those burgers and serving them to customer.

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to public policy I think it's better to focus on how things turn out in reality rather than how they were intended or designed to turn out.

Correct. And how it turned out is that very, very few people earn minimum wage. In 1979 it was 13.4% In 2017 it was 2.3% In 2017, 1% of workers aged 25 or older earned minimum wage. 8% of working teenagers do. https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm

You realise your point is moot right? The economic arguments against the minimum wage rely on the idea that it's a necessity to underpay for business to function. The less people underpaid, the less strong the argument for having to ensure a low or no minimum wage.

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#55
post #14

NZ just raised our min wage to $20 an hour. I work at least 50 hours a week. A teenager at MacDonalds now earns a good fraction of my income if they work the same hours. Despite my 4 year degree, near decade of experience and the responsibility's that I hold.

As does an adult with a family.

People who work full-time deserve to not live in poverty.

You make it sound like having a society where hard working people can feed their family is unfair to you.

It's not. You're wrong.

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#56
There are two big forces driving this divergence.

First, the last 50 years have seen a series of "one off" increases to global labor supply. Between Asia and former communist countries, American workers have been forced to compete in an environment dominated by the largest globalization of labor ever. That competition pushes wages down for anything that can be done outside our borders.

Second, as the issuer of the world's reserve currency during this period of massive globalization (while all this increased trade is creating a demand for dollars overseas), America's financial sector is involved in exporting dollars the way Norway exports oil. So Wall Street is sitting at the center of an incredible boom driven by international forces + the increased financialization that has come from having an artificially strong dollar (kind of a Dutch Disease for us, where the "sector" thats growing is the dollar-printing sector). Most dollars are printed using private debt, so Wall Street is basically the Saudi Arabia for dollars.

Given these two forces, of course Wall Street compensation was going radically outpace the minimum wage. (Not that I would/could have predicted that in 1970 if I had been alive then.)

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#57

So what? I am fully in support of increasing minimum wage but I've been seeing articles like this for weeks and it is frankly garbage ragebait that I hesitate to call journalism.

Why should Wall Street bonuses grow this much and minimum wage not?

Shouldn't c-suite compensation tend toward the minimum it takes to keep c-suite folk alive?

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#58
post #14

NZ just raised our min wage to $20 an hour. I work at least 50 hours a week. A teenager at MacDonalds now earns a good fraction of my income if they work the same hours. Despite my 4 year degree, near decade of experience and the responsibility's that I hold.

So, McDonalds employees should not have a good salary because... It hurts your feelings? I've seen better arguments.

You are playing exactly in the game that the extremely wealthy want you to play. Being disdainful or even hateful of the teenager that flips burgers all day long, while they delegate their entire work, do nothing but lines of cocaine and jet-ski while you kill yourself working 50 hours a week (most likely for them, too), earn hundreds to thousands of times your salary, yet the shit job that is making burgers is the problem?

Re: Min wage would be $44 / hour if it had grown at same rate as Wall Street bonuses

#60
This is the same line of thinking that pins the country's economic performance to the stock market. Stock market performance is not a strong indicator of the country's economic performance.

Wall Street bonuses are up because Wall Street is making more money. Perhaps because Boomers have all their money saved up and invested with Wall Street banks that use it to make more money.

Businesses aren't making that much more money, and while CEO pay has exploded, there's usually only 1 CEO per company. Walmart's CEO makes $22m total compensation per year, if they made the same as their average employee you'd be able to pay each of the 1.6m US employees $14 more per year. Big whoop. The apparent value that the best CEO for the job can bring Walmart per year far exceeds $22m, but a cashier can be replaced by a machine.

What we're seeing are the effects of automation and the devaluation of replaceable workers it causes.

My recommendation? Middle managers all the way up to C-suite rent-seek when they ask people to do more without raising wages to compensate for the additional effort. Counter-rent-seeking is a totally valid, reasonable response: unionize.

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