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The Economic Consequences of Increasing Sleep Among the Urban Poor

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Re: The Economic Consequences of Increasing Sleep Among the Urban Poor

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Post by tartoran »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #10
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good grief. It almost makes me question what information is missing from the abstract since I don't know how one can consistently run on fumes without it affecting cognition, productivity or decision making.

Throwaway as I don't want to admit that I feel permanently cognitively impaired. Anecdotal, but I spent years not sleeping through university and sleeping in airports or on the train. Studied engineering and did a lot of hackathons and events and stuff. I figured out then that I didn't need full cognition or excellent decision making. I needed more hours cranking out work. I spent years sleeping just a few hours and…

But why are you doing this to yourself? The impact of not getting minimum sleep will have all sorts of bad effects on your body, not just cognition. Try to find a balance and what you consider as permanent cognitive impairment may revert, but even if it doesn’t you don’t want to make it worse

Re: The Economic Consequences of Increasing Sleep Among the Urban Poor

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Post by jonesn11 »

No offense, but why was this question even asked? What are the people's needs in the first place? I saw a similar study that suggested the best way to improve mental health and economic consequences among the poor is to *drumroll give them money. Then they will create sustainable interventions that don't require source of money to improve the lives.

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Post by rolleiflex »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #10
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good grief. It almost makes me question what information is missing from the abstract since I don't know how one can consistently run on fumes without it affecting cognition, productivity or decision making.

Throwaway as I don't want to admit that I feel permanently cognitively impaired. Anecdotal, but I spent years not sleeping through university and sleeping in airports or on the train. Studied engineering and did a lot of hackathons and events and stuff. I figured out then that I didn't need full cognition or excellent decision making. I needed more hours cranking out work. I spent years sleeping just a few hours and…

From your description, it's possible that you have undiagnosed ADHD, though probably not caused by lack of sleep. It's always worth talking to a doctor about these things — there might be a way to get your focus back.

Re: The Economic Consequences of Increasing Sleep Among the Urban Poor

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

llamataboot wrote: post #2

Just imagine what we'll do to the labor supply if we can figure out a way to keep the poors working 24/7 and have them not suffer any ill effects from it!

Britain’s Factory Laws were created to prevent 8 year olds from working 16 hours per day with only a single break, but weren’t really enforced until automation made child labour obsolete.

If we had the technology to force people to work 24/7 but proved to it was detrimental to people’s health, somehow I know deep down that society would just bite the bullet and people would burn the midnight oil for a few more dollars.

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Post by TekMol » 

    short afternoon naps at the workplace improved an
    overall index of outcomes by 0.12 standard
    deviations, with significant increases in
    productivity, psychological well-being, and
    cognition
Is it possible to learn that? To me it seems impossible to do a "short nap". Even when I feel low energy, I don't feel like I could just lay down and sleep during the day.

Re: The Economic Consequences of Increasing Sleep Among the Urban Poor

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Post by th0ma5 »

TekMol wrote: post #16

short afternoon naps at the workplace improved an overall index of outcomes by 0.12 standard deviations, with significant increases in productivity, psychological well-being, and cognition Is it possible to learn that? To me it seems impossible to do a "short nap". Even when I feel low energy, I don't feel like I could just lay down and sleep during the day.

I was always told to avoid naps, but if you must do like 90 minutes. But in general you ideally want regular good amounts of sleep daily at the same times.

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Post by fendy3002 »

TekMol wrote: post #16

short afternoon naps at the workplace improved an overall index of outcomes by 0.12 standard deviations, with significant increases in productivity, psychological well-being, and cognition Is it possible to learn that? To me it seems impossible to do a "short nap". Even when I feel low energy, I don't feel like I could just lay down and sleep during the day.

Seems like different for each person and activities / health.

For me it's easier if I was sleep deprived after several nights, and when I've not exercised for long.

Re: The Economic Consequences of Increasing Sleep Among the Urban Poor

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Post by Izkata »

methyl wrote: post #5
schappim wrote: post #3

Those in the study were low-income adults in Chennai, India who sleep only 5.5 hours per night on average despite spending 8 hours in bed. The key takeaway was: > increased nighttime sleep had no detectable effects on cognition, productivity, decision-making, or well-being, and led to small decreases in labor supply. I find the result surprising. When I get under 6 hours I see a clear drop off in performance.

> increased sleep duration by 27 minutes per night by inducing more time in bed Maybe 27 minutes is just not enough? I’m sure the results would be different if they started to get 7 hours instead of 5.5.

Possible "misaligned" is a better descriptor? I don't know about most people, but according to a sleep app I've been using for a while now, my REM cycles seem to be around 1.5-2 hours. Waking up at between cycles works well, adding a half hour does not.
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