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Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
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Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's really telling is how many people and companies think they're entitled to running ads on my computers and phones, as if I'm the one who is doing something wrong by choosing what I see or don't see.
So the content creators have no right to demand compensation for creating “what you see“?
They have the right to demand compensation, but the appropriate way to do that is to gatekeep - i.e. don't provide access until the user pays (or promises to pay).
When they serve content with ads, they are not demanding anything.
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#133What is wrong with FloC and what's a better alternative?
Many things are wrong probably, here are some I can think of: it is extra data for more accurate fingerprinting, it is not really an alternative to tracking users because companies using it doesn't mean they'll stop tracking you, it's likely going to become another de facto web standard imposed by Google and used in conjunction with other tracking methods may more accurately reveal your browsing habits and history because it reduces the guess/search space from the whole web to a handful of websites in your cohort.
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not stealing anything by instructing my computer not to run code against my consent. No one is entitled to my CPU time. Least of all are advertisers. Also, the store isn't freakishly stalking me and noting down all my habits whilst sharing what it has collected with its friends, or indeed anyone who will buy the data. Besides, candy is impossible to replicate in the same way that data is. Theft of physical object…
The person you're replying to is not accusing you of stealing, they are using stealing from a candy store as a metaphor for how a certain amount of behavior that a company doesn't like is tolerated because it is not worth the effort to stop. The point is that Google could prevent most people from using ad blockers any time they wanted, but don't view it as worth the bad PR (or choose not to for other reasons).
> they are using stealing from a candy store as a metaphor for how a certain amount of behavior that a company doesn't like ...
It's a bad metaphor, a better metaphor would be reading a journal and covering ads with post it notes.
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I must have ads, I'd prefer not be tracked by hundreds of untrustworthy companies, and I'd also prefer not see irrelevant ads... This therefore seems like the best bad option...
I strictly prefer irrelevant ads less likely to influence me. I really have enough projects, TODO lists, interesting things to buy to last for lifetime of 250 years. Why I would want ads likely to influence me? There is basically no chance that ad will show me useful, worth using object or service to buy that I would not discover anyway. It would be just another scam more effectively targeting me.
There are plenty of good products that only get discovered because of advertisement. People aren’t constantly searching for every single one of their pain points at once.
One day, you may have a need for a product, and someone who previously solved your need can’t afford to make the product anymore because only a small percentage of people realized it was a solved problem.
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#136Is there any evidence behind the idea that FLoC is more privacy-preserving than third-party cookies? Intuitively that is not obvious to me at all, especially given there are so many other fingerprinting techniques it could be combined with.
You can't use FLoC ID for fingerprinting, it changes continuously.
I wouldn't entirely agree. It doesn't change often enough, leading to easy fingerprinting scenarios[1].
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#137Disabling FLoC is reactionary, performative, and honestly, counterproductive.
Ad industry: "Look. We listened to your concerns about ad privacy. Here's a solution that gives you everything you want. Now we can serve interest-based ads without tracking you across the internet. You win."
Brave: "We don't want a solution. We want to be sanctimonious and angry!"
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I must have ads, I'd prefer not be tracked by hundreds of untrustworthy companies, and I'd also prefer not see irrelevant ads... This therefore seems like the best bad option...
I strictly prefer irrelevant ads less likely to influence me. I really have enough projects, TODO lists, interesting things to buy to last for lifetime of 250 years. Why I would want ads likely to influence me? There is basically no chance that ad will show me useful, worth using object or service to buy that I would not discover anyway. It would be just another scam more effectively targeting me.
This has not been true for me. I have discovered interesting things in Facebook ads that I would not have discovered and bought otherwise. (They were obscure Kickstarter projects)
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the contrary, the websites who display ads steal screen space on my machine without paying me for it, some of them even steal computing time by running unauthorized scripts.
By the same argument you are stealing the website‘s bandwidth by visiting it without clicking on the ads. These reductionist approaches don‘t really help with understanding ads (and communication in general).
I was kidding, of course. Neither running an ad blocker nor running a website that runs script is stealing anything.
However, I do run an ad blocker and I'm completely fine if every company that relies on ads for income goes out of business. In fact, I'd appreciate it.
Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a very similar feature to Apple Segments[1] already implemented in iOS on which sadly not a lot of documentation is available. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223
I'm fed up with all the ads and tracking and it saddens me that even Apple does this shit. I want none of it. This shouldn't exist in your operating system at all.
Why wouldn't they? Apple is in the same business Google is of selling ads and in-app payment processing for apps on their platform. In one respect, Google is better than Apple for warning you ahead of time when an app contains ads. That's not an endorsement, mind you. There's other things Apple does better than Google. But there's no "good guy" here. Only less-bad guys.