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Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Post by yunohn »

xvector wrote: post #83
judge2020 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except with FLOC you can watch your network connection in/out and see that, instead of a persistent identifier being used to track you, you only send your interest categories. FLOC's intent is to keep their money making operation afloat, but this time without direct web browsing activity tracking of users.

> but this time without direct web browsing activity tracking of users. Your FLOC cohort is a summary of your web browsing activity. FLOC doesn't solve the privacy problems that trackers create - it just hands them your browsing history on a silver platter.

It’s literally a cohort ID? Where did you get “hands them your browsing history on a silver platter” from?

Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Post by yunohn »

heavyset_go wrote: post #106
sergiotapia wrote: post #96

I will never feel bad about using adblock. The sites can die for all I care, I'll just use something else. Will never tolerate ads, ever.

What's really telling is how many people and companies think they're entitled to running ads on my computers and phones, as if I'm the one who is doing something wrong by choosing what I see or don't see.

So the content creators have no right to demand compensation for creating “what you see“?

Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Post by [deleted] »

sounds wrote: post #66
simias wrote: post #56

That's a very interesting move. The patch seems fairly small, but now it's a patch that Brave needs to maintain and update every time they merge a new upstream version. That's what makes me wary of the whole Chromium fork concept. Every time Brave/Vivaldi/Edge/etc decide to take a different path from Google's they effectively add to their maintenance burden forever, even if like in this case they actually disable an…

Fortunately, removing a feature and removing code is pretty easy. It's when a feature is added that it requires much more thought and effort. It's not zero effort, but pretty easy.

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Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Post by benatkin »

mavhc wrote: post #81
benatkin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the privacy conscious just won, so there is no need to compare it to the former status quo. Why squander our victory?

If you want to pay to visit every site you go to, or see 10x as many ads because you'll be 10x less likely to find them useful, then you've won

Yes please! We're already mostly there, so it's an empty promise!

Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Post by heavyset_go »

yunohn wrote: post #112
heavyset_go wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's really telling is how many people and companies think they're entitled to running ads on my computers and phones, as if I'm the one who is doing something wrong by choosing what I see or don't see.

So the content creators have no right to demand compensation for creating “what you see“?

I have no problem paying for content. However, I'm not going to feel guilty for not going to a movie theater early so that I can see all of the trailers and commercials that are shown before the movie I want to see. I'm also not going to feel guilty for fast forwarding through commercials on TV.

Content creators are not entitled to decide what ads I choose to see and not see.

Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Post by lupire »

kmbfjr wrote: post #108
jeffgreco wrote: post #79

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I would respect the Adblock crowd more if they didn’t run around describing their actions as brave or “morally responsible.” It’s ok to admit that you’re taking something without return!

As if you have never run to the bathroom during a commercial break. No one is under any obligation to accept advertising. Only since the modern web have advertisers and content providers made this an argument on ethics.

You're under no obligation to visit a site without sending a payment either.

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Post by int_19h »

lxgr wrote: post #90
HeckFeck wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not stealing anything by instructing my computer not to run code against my consent. No one is entitled to my CPU time. Least of all are advertisers. Also, the store isn't freakishly stalking me and noting down all my habits whilst sharing what it has collected with its friends, or indeed anyone who will buy the data. Besides, candy is impossible to replicate in the same way that data is. Theft of physical object…

> I'm not stealing anything by instructing my computer not to run code against my consent. No one is entitled to my CPU time. Least of all are advertisers. One might argue that you are then not entitled to view the content on ad-supported pages as well. I use an ad blocker too because many ads are just horribly intrusive, but I honestly can’t blame any page circumventing ad blockers, nor do I believe that I am someho…

> One might argue that you are then not entitled to view the content on ad-supported pages as well.

This is true, and websites are entitled to try to detect and block users who use adblockers. And users are entitled to use better adblockers that are harder to detect.

Re: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features

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Post by jay_kyburz »

rewq4321 wrote: post #102
jay_kyburz wrote: post #65

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Lets not pretend that ads help people with less money. Ads are designed to manipulate people into buying things they don't need. They encourage people to believe their self worth is linked to the things they own. That a persons status in society is somehow associated with how much money they have to spend.

> Lets not pretend that ads help people with less money. Who's pretending? Ads naturally and quite effectively price-discriminate, and so they do make internet content cheaper for people with less money. You may have problems with excessive consumption, but many people in developing countries do not. They desperately need the free content (educational, informative, and otherwise) that the current internet model provi…

There are much better options to provide people with educational, informative and entertaining content.

Well funded public broadcasters like Australia ABC provide news and entertainment content free. (both text and video)

Well funded public libraries can provide a wide range of alternate content.

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