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Setting up Starlink

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Re: Setting up Starlink

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More like $10/month, not a penny.

Yep, for me it would be $8.50. For reference, this is an order of magnitude greater than the typical power consumption for existing satellite dishes / 4G modems, which typically operate at around 10W of power consumption.

For reference, most existing satellite dishes are receive only, and 4G modems only have to close link on a tower a few miles away, and at RFs where atmospheric attenuation is much lower.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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I'm using Starlink right now. AMA. I'm in East Idaho. Currently my dish angles itself to the north. It rarely moves itself north/south, and slightly moves east/west throughout the day. I've read that right now it locks onto a single satellite, although they're adding multi-satellite support later. My speeds are inconsistent, and interestingly they start slow (around 60 Mbps) but after a couple seconds they'll get to…

> interestingly they start slow (around 60 Mbps) For many of us that's reasonably fast ;). In the UK, FTTC provided over POTS (often BT or some form of unbundle), the top end is 80Mbs/20Mbs. I don't know what you'd expect with cable provisioned areas supplied by the likes of Virgin (DOCSIS).

138/20 down/up for me on Virgin (Google speed test, Manchester to London, using wifi). Was sold 200/20, and have got that in the past using Ethernet.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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I'm using Starlink right now. AMA. I'm in East Idaho. Currently my dish angles itself to the north. It rarely moves itself north/south, and slightly moves east/west throughout the day. I've read that right now it locks onto a single satellite, although they're adding multi-satellite support later. My speeds are inconsistent, and interestingly they start slow (around 60 Mbps) but after a couple seconds they'll get to…

This is OT but can you share a little bit more about what it's like living in East Idaho? I grew up in Boise and now live in Chicago but with the way things have been going lately I've been considering moving back, and there's a real appeal to living in a smaller town in the eastern part of the state (my dad was from Twin Falls). Internet access is always a bit of a concern though, which maybe Starlink ameliorates? S…

I know a few people from the Seattle area who do part time work there - unless you enjoy and agree with religious fundamentalists, die-hard MAGA anti maskers or people whose personality revolves around owning 35 guns, you might want to spend some time there first... Boise by comparison is much more secular and liberal than some of those areas.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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Starlink has said that they're planning on offering a roaming use-case, but they aren't there yet ( https://www.slashgear.com/spacex-starlink-cell-location-limi... ). Part of the issue is that Starlink cells are going to be very limited in capacity for the foreseeable future: https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/09/analyst-probes... . Cowen suggests that Starlink "should eventually be able to serve 485,000 simu…

> Imagine people going to Burning Man with lots of Starlinks or bringing their Starlink when they go on vacation. I deeply hope people aren’t going to those to download OS updates and watch Netflix. Might have some crazies that feel the need to livestream the whole thing, but should be okay if only a handful at a time.

A neat way to prioritize users is to give priority to whoever has downloaded least in the past 24 hours.

Then those who abuse the data get slow service and nobody else.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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> Latency in this case is dominated by time-of-flight to the satellite. Is it though? Starlink orbits at 550 km, time-of-flight from ground to satellite to ground would be only 3.7ms, twice that makes ~20% of the roundtrip latency.

There are more than 2 roundtrips. Any MAC that has to perform time division multiplexing on a shared uplink has to poll all base stations over time to figure out which ones have data to transmit, and how much data is queued. Once the satellite knows how much data the ground station has to transmit, it assigns sufficient timeslots, transmits the assignment and then waits for data to come back. This is very similar to…

It’s interesting they’d do TDMA over some flavor of code division multiple access (CDMA).

From what I read it has to do with the fact the antennas are high gain directional antennas and not omnidirectional ones like on cell phones. With cell phones you are kinda walking around in a soup of cell signals all sharing the same spectrum at once... you and hundreds of other people are broadcasting in the same frequencies at the same time and they all tell each other apart because they all use a different “language”; the Wikipedia CDMA article does an excellent job explaining this.

I would think that as more satellites get launched they could use WCDMA and signal from your station could be seen by multiple satellites in orbit much like a cell phone can reach multiple towers.

Writing it out... I bet TDMA is required because the FCC would never grant a block of spectrum where hundreds of thousands of ground stations were using low gain, somewhat omnidirectional antennas to reach a constellation of satellites in space....

Re: Setting up Starlink

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I'm using Starlink right now. AMA. I'm in East Idaho. Currently my dish angles itself to the north. It rarely moves itself north/south, and slightly moves east/west throughout the day. I've read that right now it locks onto a single satellite, although they're adding multi-satellite support later. My speeds are inconsistent, and interestingly they start slow (around 60 Mbps) but after a couple seconds they'll get to…

Are the speeds symmetrical? In other words upload is the same as download?

no, I've had a beta terminal for months, upstream averages 15-18 Mbps with brief bursts to 30.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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Are the speeds symmetrical? In other words upload is the same as download?

no, I've had a beta terminal for months, upstream averages 15-18 Mbps with brief bursts to 30.

15-30mbps is about what I get for my upstream “gigabit” cable service.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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post #118

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There are more than 2 roundtrips. Any MAC that has to perform time division multiplexing on a shared uplink has to poll all base stations over time to figure out which ones have data to transmit, and how much data is queued. Once the satellite knows how much data the ground station has to transmit, it assigns sufficient timeslots, transmits the assignment and then waits for data to come back. This is very similar to…

It’s interesting they’d do TDMA over some flavor of code division multiple access (CDMA). From what I read it has to do with the fact the antennas are high gain directional antennas and not omnidirectional ones like on cell phones. With cell phones you are kinda walking around in a soup of cell signals all sharing the same spectrum at once... you and hundreds of other people are broadcasting in the same frequencies a…

It's even more complicated than that. Thanks to MIMO antenna arrays, signals from multiple ground stations can be received and decoded at the same time (MU-MIMO). The advances in radio MACs over the past 20 years is seriously impressive compared to what was considered high tech in the 1990s, and it's all a result of Moore's law making it cheaper to do more math in the same size and power envelope as older semiconductors.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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no, I've had a beta terminal for months, upstream averages 15-18 Mbps with brief bursts to 30.

15-30mbps is about what I get for my upstream “gigabit” cable service.

that's typical on DOCSIS3 cable since they intentionally allocate and bond a much greater number of channels for downstream capacity, to match the usage patterns of hundreds of users in aggregate. The actual amount of RF available for upstream is quite small in a typical configuration.

Re: Setting up Starlink

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I'm using Starlink right now. AMA. I'm in East Idaho. Currently my dish angles itself to the north. It rarely moves itself north/south, and slightly moves east/west throughout the day. I've read that right now it locks onto a single satellite, although they're adding multi-satellite support later. My speeds are inconsistent, and interestingly they start slow (around 60 Mbps) but after a couple seconds they'll get to…

Can you setup Starlink without the app, i.e: no cell phone? I'm getting real tired of devices that have no management/setup UI of their own.

I do think you need the app and a phone for at least 5 minutes. I did the initial power up and setup with that, and after 5 minutes of verifying it worked, replaced the starlink provided router with my own. Anything that is an ordinary 1000BaseT 1500mtu DHCP client will get an address when connected to the PoE injector.

The weird angled router they had out is just a convenience for non technical consumers who want an all in one 802.11ac box. The app on the phone also does the very basic first time setup step of defining an SSID and WPA2-PSK key.

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