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A far-right extremist allegedly plotted to blow up Amazon data centers

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Re: A far-right extremist allegedly plotted to blow up Amazon data centers

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Post by tyingq »

beej71 wrote: post #4

Not to turn a blind eye to what would have been a tragic loss of life, but how resistant is Amazon to such an attack, data-wise? How much collateral economic damage can you do by taking down an AWS data center?

I think a backhoe and a map of where all the fiber is would work better than a bunch of explosives. Construction folks find lots of unintended places where "redundant" paths converge, on accident. If you went about that with purpose, I imagine it could be very disruptive. Imagine a former employee from some place like Zayo with a grudge.

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Post by roflc0ptic »

luckylion wrote: post #69
roflc0ptic wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... yeah, I don't know about any radical environmentalists or communists aiming for data centers. Radical environmentalists want to blow up other things.

I consider Kaczynski an environmentalist and he's an anarchist. Take a time machine and move him straight from 1978 to 2018, what would he target? My guess is data centers would be on the list.

But that’s total conjecture. You’re just saying “well, if I made someone up, they’d target data centers.” My point is that the non-made up radical environmentalists/communists aren’t targeting data centers. My source is that in a previous iteration of this life, I happened to know a lot of communists and radical environmentalists.

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Post by roenxi »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #2

Far Right Extremist seems to be an accurate label. Using the screen name Dionysus, he posted on MyMilitia.com, a forum dedicated to organizing militia groups, about his plan to “conduct a little experiment” in 2021. “I’m not a dumbass suicide bomber,” Pendley wrote. “But even if I only have a handful of fellow patriots standing beside me, I will happily die a young man knowing that I didn’t allow the evils in this wo…

Yeah, I don't think the right wing can disown this one. Illegal methods are obviously unacceptable and this guy is a loser, but after the last election the right wing needs to be honest about the situation. One of their biggest political opponents is the big tech companies and they need to organise against them.

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Post by aasasd »

_Microft wrote: post #34
supernova87a wrote: post #16

I wonder, does such a person share a lot of characteristics of his mental state with someone who on the other side of the political spectrum, breaks into factory chicken farms to free birds, or who torches an entire dealership of SUVs to save the planet? Is there not something a little bit fascinating in realizing that regardless of the particular political belief driving them to do something, there must be something…

> I wonder, does such a person share a lot of characteristics of his mental state with someone who on the other side of the political spectrum This sounds like the "horseshoe theory": "In political science and popular discourse, the horseshoe theory asserts that the far-left and the far-right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, closely resemble one another, analogous to t…

Almost like one-dimensionalizing a whole lot of ideas doesn't make much sense in the first place.

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Post by cardanome »

supernova87a wrote: post #16

I wonder, does such a person share a lot of characteristics of his mental state with someone who on the other side of the political spectrum, breaks into factory chicken farms to free birds, or who torches an entire dealership of SUVs to save the planet? Is there not something a little bit fascinating in realizing that regardless of the particular political belief driving them to do something, there must be something…

People are violent in general. There is petty criminals, white collar crime, there is systematic oppression by the people in power towards those at the bottom, there is young people just letting out steam, psychopaths and so on and so on.

Non radical people simply don't have the need to use violence because they are happy with they way things are. They have the police and the military doing the violence for them.

The use of violence is not inherently good or bad and yes you can use violence to achieve a state of less violence. That would be in fact the idealized view of what a police force should do.

The rejection of right wing radicalism should not be on the point that they use violent means but of what they want to achieve. That is to oppress and/or murder anyone not sharing their political views, race, faith, sexual orientation, nationality and so on. Every rational human being should appose that.

Right wing terrorism is a real and current threat. If you prefer to cry how bad the left is, you are part of the problem.

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Post by posthiatal1 »

RobertoG wrote: post #60
imgabe wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s only wrong if you fail. If you succeed you were a “revolutionary”.

I think it's more like: if you are on your own you are crazy, if you are in a big group you are revolutionary, if you win you were right, or something like that.

"You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him.

And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both f___ots [slur elided] and they won't take either of them.

And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization.

And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement."

From Arlo Guthrie's song "Alice's Restaurant"

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

supernova87a wrote: post #16

I wonder, does such a person share a lot of characteristics of his mental state with someone who on the other side of the political spectrum, breaks into factory chicken farms to free birds, or who torches an entire dealership of SUVs to save the planet? Is there not something a little bit fascinating in realizing that regardless of the particular political belief driving them to do something, there must be something…

The US army must be full of these “crazy” people then, no?

And the same with Silicon Valley, which keeps talking about disrupting industries, without regard for the people working in those industries.

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Post by yostrovs »

ahelwer wrote: post #70
ThinkBeat wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for sharing that. I was not aware of the term, but I have been aware of the idea. In a narrow manner I have seen this up close. The people some call Antifa, a term they also use themselves, will show up for protests and demonstrations. Nobody invited them, many would prefer that they were not there. In general, they detract fromt the message of the protests. Black clad people with various accoutrements need…

As someone with quite a few left-wing friends, this comment was pretty funny to read. I have no idea why people think they can pick apart the inner machinations of the minds of people they've seemingly never spoken to, not into whose ideology they have the slightest insight or interest. Very strong "boomer opining at their suburban kitchen table about the problem with today's youths" energy. Any given person who iden…

Almost everyone identifies as anti-fascist. That's why references to Hitler are references to things considered universally awful. A problem many have with Antifa is that they took a term and made it their own, implying that everyone else is not against fascism.

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Post by fukmbas »

supernova87a wrote: post #16

I wonder, does such a person share a lot of characteristics of his mental state with someone who on the other side of the political spectrum, breaks into factory chicken farms to free birds, or who torches an entire dealership of SUVs to save the planet? Is there not something a little bit fascinating in realizing that regardless of the particular political belief driving them to do something, there must be something…

It's called conservatism
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