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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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imgabe wrote: post #234
slg wrote: post #194

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> Here's a crazy idea, if you don't want your episodes deleted don't sell rights to your intellectual property for 100 million bucks to another party It is especially weird considering this was basically a foregone conclusion the moment Rogan signed with Spotify. Take a look at the HN comments when the news broke[1]. Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history o…

> Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history of saying things that don't fit that content policy. Citation needed This is Spotify's content policy: https://support.spotifyforpodcasters.com/hc/en-us/articles/3... Assuming we're not talking about infringing or illegal content, we're left to conclude that Rogan "promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence a…

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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Method-X »

slg wrote: post #259
imgabe wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history of saying things that don't fit that content policy. Citation needed This is Spotify's content policy: https://support.spotifyforpodcasters.com/hc/en-us/articles/3... Assuming we're not talking about infringing or illegal content, we're left to conclude that Rogan "promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence a…

I don't listen to Rogan. I can't speak to the specifics of what he says on his podcast. I know that he has had on multiple recurring guests that have been deplatformed elsewhere such as Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos. Rogan also can't seem to go more than a few months without receiving accusations of transphobia[1]. You are also welcome to click through the link in my previous comment and see the issue discussed in…

So, by your own admission, you’re basing your criticism of Joe Rogan on hearsay? Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing controversial people. Maybe I’m in the minority these days but I personally like hearing contrarian views because it allows me to form my own opinion on people and subjects without relying on others to tell me what to believe.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by slg »

imgabe wrote: post #270
slg wrote: post #268

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You are not being honest about Rogan's opinions on trans athletes. He does not want trans women competing against cisgender women.[1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0qwXgjjDA&t=120s

In the context of MMA what he said was they should disclose it and ciswomen can choose to go into the fight or not, I am not lying about that. The clip you posted was about weightlifting. If a biological man can call himself a woman and compete in women's weightlifting, why don't we just get rid of the gender categories altogether and have men and women compete together? If we did that, do you think any woman, trans…

This is what you said:

>Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete

This is what Rogan said (rough transcript):

>[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole.

You are misrepresenting Rogan's point to make it sound more acceptable. He is not speaking specifically about MMA. He is not talking about other competitors having a choice. He is just straight saying that a trans woman is cheating by competing against cis women.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by mensetmanusman »

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #128
Nbbbi wrote: post #38

type in the N word to Spotify — prepared to be shocked. on IG (soundcloud) I noticed some wildly racist old song. music is exempt from social justice but open discussion and bad jokes are not.

Spotify employees seem to have no issue with songs about killing police, assaulting women, bashing gays etc. Just listen to a mainstream rapper like Eminem and there is plenty to get offended about, if they cared too. A tame lyric for example: “But I may fight for gay rights, especially if that dyke is more of a knockout than Janay Rice/Play nice? Bitch I’ll punch Lana Del Rey right in the face twice, like Ray Rice i…

So JR should have auto tuned his episodes and called it music.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by slg »

Method-X wrote: post #272
slg wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't listen to Rogan. I can't speak to the specifics of what he says on his podcast. I know that he has had on multiple recurring guests that have been deplatformed elsewhere such as Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos. Rogan also can't seem to go more than a few months without receiving accusations of transphobia[1]. You are also welcome to click through the link in my previous comment and see the issue discussed in…

So, by your own admission, you’re basing your criticism of Joe Rogan on hearsay? Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing controversial people. Maybe I’m in the minority these days but I personally like hearing contrarian views because it allows me to form my own opinion on people and subjects without relying on others to tell me what to believe.

Plenty of news sources come up in that Google search so you say "hearsay" and I say "reporting". Either way, the guy has literally thousands of hours of podcasts. I don't think someone needs to have listened to every single minute to have an opinion on the guy.

There is also a difference between someone with "contrarian views" and someone with dangerous views. I got no problem if he has someone on to talk about how we shouldn't introduce gun regulation in the wake of Sandy Hook. I have a problem with him giving a platform to someone who says Sandy Hook was fake, the parents who lost children are actors, and they should be harassed into admitting as much. Nothing good comes from giving a guy like that more attention, power, and money by having him on the show.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jonwithoutanh »

slg wrote: post #268
imgabe wrote: post #266

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I do listen to Rogan and I'm aware of the trans controversy. What he actually took issue with was a trans woman who fought in women's MMA without telling her competitors that she was trans . This creates a serious safety risk in what is already a dangerous sport, and it was irresponsible of her to lie. Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete, just that they should disclose it so the people they're fightin…

You are not being honest about Rogan's opinions on trans athletes. He does not want trans women competing against cisgender women.[1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0qwXgjjDA&t=120s

Would it be fair for cisgender woman to compete in strength sports against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janae_Kroc?

Do you truly believe that this person would have no advantage competing against cisgender woman? I think most people would be able to see the obvious advantage Janae gained from formerly being a male.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sedeki »

Barrin92 wrote: post #155
fareesh wrote: post #138

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Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

That the difference in canceling between the Western vs non-Western world is only in the cultural/norms dimension, is intellectually dishonest in my humble opinion.

A professor being canceled for saying e.g. that male and female brains are anatomically different, or worse, that non-binary genders is not a thing, has more to do with something else than culture/norms.

That something else is an interesting subject which has actually been discussed on JRE. :)

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by vladTheInhaler »

aleister_777 wrote: post #246
vladTheInhaler wrote: post #216

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If you look at the commenter's history, it becomes clear that they are much more concerned with one than the other.

Were you speaking about yourself?

You're really going to go with "I'm rubber and you're glue"? But yes, I'm definitely more worried about getting shot, stabbed, or run over by an alt right extremist at a protest than I am about getting woke-scolded by someone on twitter. You caught me.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by imgabe »

slg wrote: post #273
imgabe wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of MMA what he said was they should disclose it and ciswomen can choose to go into the fight or not, I am not lying about that. The clip you posted was about weightlifting. If a biological man can call himself a woman and compete in women's weightlifting, why don't we just get rid of the gender categories altogether and have men and women compete together? If we did that, do you think any woman, trans…

This is what you said: >Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete This is what Rogan said (rough transcript): >[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole. You are misrepresenting Rogan's point to make it sound more acceptable.…

He has spoken about this on a number of different occasions. The one clip you happened to find at the top of your google search does not constitute everything he ever said on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTfyjhvfH8&t=4210s

This is where he's talking about MMA. There were other occasions where he mentioned disclosing it. I don't remember the exact episode and timestamp.

But like I said above (sorry, edited as I thought more). What does any of this have to do with promoting hate or violence? Does thinking people should compete in this or that competition somehow mean you hate them?

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