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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nradov » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

fleshdaddy wrote: post #143

bootwoot wrote: post #117

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Is there a source for this? Seems way more likely to be monetarily pushed by either investors or advertisers (as other poster said) or at least pre-emptively done to appease those groups.

I don’t know from an advertisers perspective it seems like JRE is pretty mainstream. I don’t recall them having trouble getting sponsors in the past.

Most JRE sponsors were smaller companies targeting niche markets. He didn't have any mass market brands like Starbucks or Chevrolet.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by luckylion » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

hoka-one-one wrote: post #85

basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

It's understandable. He's routinely allowed right-wing radicals such as Abby Martin and Gavin McInnes and Dave Rubin on his show. I personally would stop using Spotify if they started promoting such hateful content. Paradox of tolerance, etc.

> right-wing radicals such as Abby Martin

> In September 2015, Martin launched The Empire Files, an interview and documentary series. She has hosted guests including Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Richard D. Wolff, Ralph Nader and Jill Stein.

I can't tell whether you're running a satire account.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gsich » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #2

I wonder how much longer Spotify will continue to delude themselves that they can take successful podcasts and put them into their walled garden -- turning off legit, public RSS feeds -- and that it will somehow work out for them. Rumor is that Apple is going to launch premium podcasts and turn off access to the iTunes podcast directory in order to have their own walled garden for select, paid podcasters. Eventually…

Podcasts without RSS feeds are not podcasts anymore.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by snurfer » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:56 PM UTC

readflaggedcomm wrote: post #97

DC1350 wrote: post #40

What's special about podcasts that makes them so much more offensive than music? There's lots of songs that are so much worse.

Podcast presenting problematic ideas seriously persuade more effectively, like non-fiction contrasted with fiction.

What are some examples of "problematic ideas"?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Barrin92 » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:56 PM UTC

fareesh wrote: post #138

idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying

Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't want your episodes deleted don't sell rights to your intellectual property for 100 million bucks to another party

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:56 PM UTC

skohan wrote: post #116

Pfhreak wrote: post #92

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The thing that makes me less worried is that we're probably at one of the most open periods in history. Don't like Spotify? You've got about a million other options. Rogan freely chose to accept some limits in exchange for a truckload of cash. He was already doing quite well without Spotify, from what I understand. I think the framing that he was somehow unable to succeed without accepting censorship is a little off…

I'm not that worried about Spotify and 40 odd episodes from the Joe Rogan catalog, but it does fit into a larger narrative. I am somewhat concerned that a hand-full of companies can effectively remove someone from the public discourse. Nobody was too upset when Alex Jones got deplatformed, but there is something a little unnerving about the fact that Twitter was allowed to basically kill certain news stories leading…

> I am somewhat concerned that a hand-full of companies can effectively remove someone from the public discourse.

Large companies are least able to remove someone from public discourse today than at any other time in the past. The internet is wide open for people to shout into, although it requires work and money to host content. But it’s still far cheaper and easier than its ever been to reach basically anyone around the world.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sky_rw » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:57 PM UTC

nickysielicki wrote: post #125

bootwoot wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a source for this? Seems way more likely to be monetarily pushed by either investors or advertisers (as other poster said) or at least pre-emptively done to appease those groups.

Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-tra... > One of the submitted questions was "Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" Another was “Why has Spotify chosen to ignore Spectrum ERG's guidance about transphobic content in the JRE catalog?,” referring to a group of Spotify work…

"LGBTQAI+/ally" at some point we are going to need an abbreviation for this abbreviation.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by bgorman » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:57 PM UTC

ljm wrote: post #140

nickysielicki wrote: post #86

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It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

I heard second hand that the folks working at Spotify were incredibly unhappy about this Joe Rogan deal, and one of the reasons for that was because leadership steamrolled over any concerns they had. And there were many. I don't really know who this guy is or why you'd spend 100 million on him to secure a deal. But he's walking away with that money and Spotify is left with the infighting. They fucked themselves over…

It is not an absurd investment, Spotify is a commodity technology and taking away Joe Rogan podcast from their biggest competitor (Apple) provides much needed differentiation. Joe Rogan's podcast was the number one podcast on Apple Podcasts. Now it isn't available at all.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by layoutIfNeeded » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:57 PM UTC

k_bx wrote: post #51

Off-topic but still makes me sad: Spotify removed all episodes of Joe Rogan for me by removing podcasts feature from Ukrainian (and not only) users. I’m a paid user btw. Worst part is that since JRE is free for such large part of internet users, it’s impossible to find on torrents unless it’s Elon Musk or similar. Sigh.

https://pastebin.com/s9JupqqD

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sn_master » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

luckylion wrote: post #146

sn_master wrote: post #93

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> Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? YouTube always claims they're demonetizing videos for their advertisers. i.e companies threatening to either boycott advertising on the platform entirely, or ones who don't their products appear in videos with certain content. Maybe Spotify is doing it for the same reason?

According to this [1] Spotify makes 91% of their revenue and nearly 100% of their profits based on premium membership, not ads. I find it unlikely that they're messing with their users' interests to make advertisers happy that make up a rounding error in the profits. [1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120314/spoti...

Interesting. Then perhaps its higher ups in Spotify who might be afraid of getting accused of hosting content that isn't in favor with the MSM and ruling regime in the US?