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Fact-Checking Is Dead, Killed by Snopes over Biden’s Promise of $2000 Checks

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Re: Fact-Checking Is Dead, Killed by Snopes over Biden’s Promise of $2000 Checks

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This is a really odd article. Snopes said "most false" and they seem to take issue with this. Snopes assessment seems right on and completely accurate with not much bias.

On the one hand, Snopes is correct that the $2,000 advocacy began in and continued from a $2,000 vs. $600 debate for the second stimulus checks, and that, viewed in that context, a third $1,400 check achieves what was originally being discussed.

OTOH, there is a legitimate point that the messaging was not updated after the $600 stimulus passed, and after that point one could (especially if they were not aware of the same actor’s advocacy prior) reasonably interpret it as a call for a third, $2,000, payment.

But most of the objections aren’t from people in that position, but from people people in the $600 camp or in the left-of-Biden monthly recurring payment camp.

I think “mostly false” is accurate, but I can also see why people might reasonably disagree as to where in the space [0] of neither-completely-true-nor-completely-false statements this falls; I don’t think “mostly true” would be reasonable, but I could definitely see “mixture” or, perhaps, if one reads “misled” as a fact claim of general effect on people recieving the claim, “unproven”.

[0] see ratings definitions here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check-ratings/

Re: Fact-Checking Is Dead, Killed by Snopes over Biden’s Promise of $2000 Checks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that a huge amount of people in this country were and still are suffering from the economic impact of this virus and the related lockdowns and that desiring financial aid from the government to help support them in their time of need is not a matter of greed.

Regardless, do people vote because THEY want a cheque or because they think it’s what the country needs?

Do you believe that the people worst off in a situation have a moral imperative to vote against their own interests? To a large extent even being able to worry about the best interests of the country implies a certain level of luxury - that you have few enough pressing needs around your own survival that you can take the time to expend energy thinking about the country.

Re: Fact-Checking Is Dead, Killed by Snopes over Biden’s Promise of $2000 Checks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless, do people vote because THEY want a cheque or because they think it’s what the country needs?

Do you believe that the people worst off in a situation have a moral imperative to vote against their own interests? To a large extent even being able to worry about the best interests of the country implies a certain level of luxury - that you have few enough pressing needs around your own survival that you can take the time to expend energy thinking about the country.

No. Obviously my point is that a system where candidates running for office can openly BUY votes is problematic. The problem is not the voters, it's the candidates, and the system itself.

> being able to worry about the best interests of the country implies a certain level of luxury

In a situation like this, it's doubtful if parliamentary democracy makes sense at all.

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