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In all serious, the political theater espoused on these people has eroded their critical thinking, and this will come back to haunt us when there comes a time for serious leadership in the face of a changing climate, and all we have at the helm are grifters protected by their blind sheep majorities.
HN is very consistently anti-union. My question is this: Where did you get information about unions? Because people keep mentioning their "bad reputation" and then start listing off a bunch of "facts" that read like they're bullets straight out of one of those anti-union videos during onboard at several major employers (Walmart, Target, Amazon, etc). So anti-union people exactly where does your information come from?…
Show me a well run union in the USA where they successfully compete against union union workers, their industry isn't being shipped overseas, and workers can optionally participate without having wages garnished.
Speaking as someone who lives adjacent to Bessemer but who does not work at Amazon, you need to understand that Bessemer is a dying city, a slum. These were the best paying jobs that many of these workers had had in their entire lives, it is no wonder that a majority of them decided not to bite the hand that was feeding them.
What a tragic way to frame it. The USA (and all the world governments) need to take care of it's poor people better so they don't have to choose indentured servitude over poverty. Edit: Added the bit about all the world governments
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>I absolutely do not understand why you would vote against your own collective interest It's because unions in America cannot guarantee the existence of the job . Yes, unions can force negotiations but they have no power to force the corporation to keep the factory open . (E.g. workers of Bakers union go on strike and in response, Hostess closes the factory.) That's the tradeoff of possible negative consequences that…
Hard to believe this isn’t the top reply. You don’t need to go off into some long discussion about the philosophy of collective action. This vote was no because if it had been yes the likely consequence would have been all the voters being out of a job.
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$15 an hour is more than you can get in almost any place in Europe or the world for unskilled labor, what are you talking about?
Why are you comparing absolute dollar amounts? Is the cost of living the same every where?
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$15 an hour is more than you can get in almost any place in Europe or the world for unskilled labor, what are you talking about?
Why are you comparing absolute dollar amounts? Is the cost of living the same every where?
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Which shark do you trust to protect you?
The one you can vote for leadership. Unions are imperfect, but they are democracies. Corporations on the other hand are feudal. You don't get to vote Bezos into power as a worker -- he's just the lord of the manor. Some nobles are good and some nobles are bad, but the serfs have no say.
Bezos is in his position because of his competency. He built the thing. Democracy is not a virtue in a workplace.
HN is very consistently anti-union. My question is this: Where did you get information about unions? Because people keep mentioning their "bad reputation" and then start listing off a bunch of "facts" that read like they're bullets straight out of one of those anti-union videos during onboard at several major employers (Walmart, Target, Amazon, etc). So anti-union people exactly where does your information come from?…
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> why you would vote against your own collective interest Maybe they are not sufficiently confident that the union will act in their interest? Is that so crazy an idea? If you're in favour of unions then I guess you're in favour of workers being able to have a say in how they work. And if they don't want to work with a union then I can't understand how you can rationally do anything but say 'ok thank you for saying,…
You are saying in expressing the right to have a say in how they work, they chose to vote to not have a say in how they work? It's a pretty simple calculus. When the company spends twice the yearly payroll of the entire place on preventing the lowest of low workers on the totem pole from forming a union, maybe the company isn't acting in their best interests.
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The problem with the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” thinking is that it ignores being born into the problem. Sure, some people can work their way out of a rut that their parents were in, but the majority can’t.
Not just that, but if we rank everyone, some people will inevitably be worse than others. Should those at the bottom be condemned to poverty?