Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
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Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#2That's pretty overwhelming too, 71% No.
It would be interesting to hear from them why. I think we all have opinions (I certainly do). But I've never worked at amazon so my opinion is low value...
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#3Why would vote against your own benefit? It's astounding that these people are happy to be exploited.
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#4That's pretty overwhelming too, 71% No. It would be interesting to hear from them why. I think we all have opinions (I certainly do). But I've never worked at amazon so my opinion is low value...
I'm curious if it's the same reason I put up with !@#$ earlier in my career: I don't have the luxury of taking risks and I'm just really not interested in upsetting my employer.
You tell me there's a better world on the other side of the hill, but I'm just trying to keep my children from starving this month. I can't even begin to think about the uncertainty and risk of trying to get there.
Some commentary: I think this is one reason why social safety nets are tremendously valuable. The reason I eventually took the risk was because being without a job was not a potential death sentence. I would have unemployment insurance for a while and universal healthcare would take care of my kids if they had sudden needs.
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#5Why would vote against your own benefit? It's astounding that these people are happy to be exploited.
> Why would vote against your own benefit?
I guess they disagree with you on what the benefits are?
If the goal of the vote was to give these workers a voice then... I guess mission accomplished. You can't reasonably then say you don't like what they say with their voice!
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#6Why would vote against your own benefit? It's astounding that these people are happy to be exploited.
Calling people stupid is a great way to get them to agree with you.
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#7I'm confused, why did they need a vote to start a union? Here in the UK pretty sure if a load of workers want to start a union, they can - irrespective of whether they're in the majority or not. Sounds to me like the circumscription of a need for a majority itself comes from anti-union legislation.
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#8That's pretty overwhelming too, 71% No. It would be interesting to hear from them why. I think we all have opinions (I certainly do). But I've never worked at amazon so my opinion is low value...
My guess is the messaging about dues. Lots of people focused on the short term hit to their paychecks. Most of the stories reference $500/month. That does seem high.
Data I can find for other unions shows somewhere between 1 to 4 percent of gross pay as typical for union dues. Assuming $15/hour, 4 percent of gross pay would be $144/month. But, if $500/month is accurate, it's 13.8% of gross pay for $15/hour workers, and 10.4% of gross for $20/hour workers. That's very high.
Edit: $500/year. There were many news stories with the inaccurate $500/month quote.
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#9I absolutely do not understand why you would vote against your own collective interest for a small amount of union dues. That is not snark, it's a real statement. I legitimately do not understand it.
Can someone who works/worked one of these jobs please explain it to me? I am so confused by how lopsided this was.
Re: Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama
#10So, leaving aside why someone would or would not want to join a union, why is this a majority vote? If 49% of a workforce wants to unionize, why can't they?