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Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by bluedino »

dhekir wrote: post #35
strange_things wrote: post #20

This is very anecdotal but every single laptop I have bought in the last 10 years (4) worked perfectly out-of-the box with either Linux Mint or Ubuntu (which are the same on the inside). I only vaguely remember once I had to change some conf file for my trackpad to work after a dist update but that was it. Not sure why everyone in this thread is so hesitant about Linux on a laptop? It literally just works (tm) for me…

Every single laptop my company bought me in the last 10 years (3+) had kernel/driver issues, especially with Ubuntu, since the kernel version was usually lower than that from other distros, like Fedora. This includes mostly graphics driver issues (either simply Nvidia, or hybrids, or some exotic protocols such as DisplayLink), but also touchpad, power/suspend issues (e.g. wake-up failure), lack of fingerprint or smar…

No complaints on my Thinkpads.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by globular-toast »

fulafel wrote: post #114
globular-toast wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PC has always been an open platform. Documentation is readily available and the intention is for users to run whatever they want on the hardware. Completely different.

Intel and Microsoft control Secure Boot. If Linux hadn't already been so popular on servers when SB came about, it's very possible that PC platform would today be locked down to run MS-only operating systems.

Right, but that happened 10 years after Linus started writing his OS. If Microsoft had had their way then the PC would have also been a closed platform. This doesn't contradict my point in any way.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by vbezhenar »

Toutouxc wrote: post #105
varispeed wrote: post #44

Did Apple pay anything for this? If not, they should.

Why?

One reason would be to use their own silicon in their data centers. They're using Linux servers after all.

That does not require graphics, though. Actually I would not be surprised if they would release information for everything but graphics and wireless.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by the_french »

peteretep wrote: post #57
strange_things wrote: post #20

This is very anecdotal but every single laptop I have bought in the last 10 years (4) worked perfectly out-of-the box with either Linux Mint or Ubuntu (which are the same on the inside). I only vaguely remember once I had to change some conf file for my trackpad to work after a dist update but that was it. Not sure why everyone in this thread is so hesitant about Linux on a laptop? It literally just works (tm) for me…

I feel like the pattern is that when you start to dig into people talking about their great experience with Linux on a laptop, you end up eventually getting them to admit that there are a lot of annoyances they’ve just resigned to living with

On some fronts it even feels like things have regressed. Trying to resize an encrypted partition is way, way too difficult. And it seems like GParted doesn't handle LUKS so you're back to manually typing block offsets on the command line.

If you wanted to use a TPM to store the FDE passphrase, well, you have the patience of a saint. Compare this to Mac or Windows where you click a single button and it's all setup, including TPM!

As much as I love linux for server environments, it remains a failure when it comes to modern desktop environments.

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Post by hashhar »

edent wrote: post #97
hashhar wrote: post #93

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Come on - Bluetooth headsets are unusable with the mic on due to HFP being the only bluetooth profile most Linux distros support.

Nope. I run Pop OS and I get A2DP on all my Bluetooth headsets. I'm running a cheapish Clevo laptop.

Thanks, I'll try PopOS out - hopefully I can finally use the integrated mic on my BT headset.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by stuchl4n3k »

pojntfx wrote: post #159
dhekir wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single laptop my company bought me in the last 10 years (3+) had kernel/driver issues, especially with Ubuntu, since the kernel version was usually lower than that from other distros, like Fedora. This includes mostly graphics driver issues (either simply Nvidia, or hybrids, or some exotic protocols such as DisplayLink), but also touchpad, power/suspend issues (e.g. wake-up failure), lack of fingerprint or smar…

I'd recommend buying one of the new Laptops with actual, official LVFS support by the vendor. My new (Tiger Lake) Dell XPS 13 for example even has support for the fingerprint reader, face unlock etc. by default, and the new ThinkPads and many other High-End models come with Linux support and Linux pre-installed nowadays. They also have a proper hibernation toggle (Linux/Windows mode) in the BIOS so it "just works".

Indeed I too have a new XPS and I was pleasantly surprised that everything works fine. Also Linux updates for Bulbasaur are quite regular visitors.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by sjwright »

jason0597 wrote: post #214
sk7_ wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- for scroll direction: https://mos.caldis.me/ - resize and move windows with shortcuts: https://rectangleapp.com/ both free and open source

If a Linux user suggested people to download external 3rd party software to make their desktop experience nicer they'd get absolutely blasted and be told that users shouldn't be expected to tweak stuff and download 3rd party tools. Why is this acceptable for macOS users?

That's a red herring. These 3rd party tweaks don't make the Mac desktop experience objectively "nicer", they are tweaks to make it more familiar to people used to other, non-Mac desktop environments.

Personally I consider the stock macOS desktop experience to be perfectly fine.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by sjwright »

magnusmundus wrote: post #153
ylyn wrote: post #111

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Ah yes, but if you suggest that someone do this when using Linux, you get shit on.

To be fair, customizability and freedom aren't Apple's selling points.

And to be even fairer, user experience consistency isn't one of Linux's selling points. While there is some limited consistency within individual graphical shells, the Linux ecosystem naturally favours a diversity of opinions instead.

Because Apple interfaces are highly opinionated and generally fairly consistent, learning to do things the Apple way is a valid life choice for many people.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by ginko »

matwood wrote: post #217
jmkni wrote: post #200

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I don't think I do, I'm a fairly recent convert to macOS. I'm running Big Sur and I can interact with any window the mouse cursor is over. I can scroll any window I'm hovering over, and with a single click can perform an action.

Same. You have to click the window before typing something, but scroll does follow the mouse.

How about button clicks?

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by jahnu »

JimDabell wrote: post #45
jahnu wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you link to the public statement? Would greatly appreciate that, thanks!

Craig Federighi: > As for Windows running natively on the machine, "that's really up to Microsoft," he said. "We have the core technologies for them to do that, to run their ARM version of Windows, which in turn of course supports x86 user mode applications. But that's a decision Microsoft has to make, to bring to license that technology for users to run on these Macs. But the Macs are certainly very capable of it."…

Thanks!
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