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Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by CynicusRex »

kylebyproxy wrote: post #36
CynicusRex wrote: post #25

Even if only 1% of Seaspiracy is true, or if the numbers are off by 99%, the fact remains that we can live perfectly healthily without animal based foodstuff. The only moral and simplest solution is for privileged Westerners to go vegan.

Morality is relative; please don't inflict yours on others. Animal consumption can be made sustainable. The main offenders are beef, lamb, and mutton, and their associated dairy[1]. Cutting just those out would put us back in the ballpark of responsible agriculture. Between pork, poultry, fish & other aquatics, and insects, there's room for sustainable meat farming. [1]: https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impac…

>Morality is relative, please don't inflict yours on others.

Suffering is not relative.

“It just isn't possible to mass produce meat without torturing animals. In fact, raising animals specifically for consumption, i.e., “humane slaughter” is an oxymoron.” —https://www.cynicusrex.com/file/cynic.html

Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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kylebyproxy wrote: post #36
CynicusRex wrote: post #25

Even if only 1% of Seaspiracy is true, or if the numbers are off by 99%, the fact remains that we can live perfectly healthily without animal based foodstuff. The only moral and simplest solution is for privileged Westerners to go vegan.

Morality is relative; please don't inflict yours on others. Animal consumption can be made sustainable. The main offenders are beef, lamb, and mutton, and their associated dairy[1]. Cutting just those out would put us back in the ballpark of responsible agriculture. Between pork, poultry, fish & other aquatics, and insects, there's room for sustainable meat farming. [1]: https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impac…

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Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by smackay »

wongarsu wrote: post #35
s_dev wrote: post #14

My single biggest takeaway from watching it was that there is no "sustainable industrial fishing" despite every political advocacy group stating that as a bullet point "eat sustainable fish" to helping biodiversity and fish stocks. Basically unless the a dude has a fishing rod and is catching his own dinner it's unsustainable. Those boys over at impossbile burger better be whipping up some fish substitutes because I…

Fish raised in a fish farm is reasonably sustainable, especially those raised in lakes.

Unfortunately humans like to eat predatory fish - salmon, tuna, etc. So although farming would be a way forward most farming needs large-scale industrial fishing to support it. The pet food industry also has the same problem.

Moving farming to vegetarian species like tilapia would solve this but it's going to take a monumental effort to change the attitudes of generations.

Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by elias94 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #38
fireattack wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see both sides. I appreciate these documentaries for raising awareness as you said. The reason why experts don't "try to explain it to us" probably is exactly because they think it's complex and nuanced. They probably don't even think there is an "issue" that need to be explained to begin with. Think it this way: you're in a field, and you know its pros and cons. You are not going to randomly speak anything abo…

This is the problem I have with climate change. I am a very rational, science oriented person (actively promoting science, atheist, PhD in physics, actively hating homeopathy pseudo-science, you name it). I wanted to understand: - why there is a problem with climete chnage - how we know there is one - my winter was cold, where is the warming (exaggerating that of course) - etc. I am not an expert, nor want to become…

see David Attenborough: A Life On Our Planet

is better than 200 pages

Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by CynicusRex »

emptyfile wrote: post #40
CynicusRex wrote: post #25

Even if only 1% of Seaspiracy is true, or if the numbers are off by 99%, the fact remains that we can live perfectly healthily without animal based foodstuff. The only moral and simplest solution is for privileged Westerners to go vegan.

Hahahaha, yeah, simplest solution is for everyone to go vegan. Totally reasonable and achievable.

If the logistics of worldwide animal concentration camps is achievable, then simply not doing that is a piece of cake.

Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by string »

emptyfile wrote: post #40
CynicusRex wrote: post #25

Even if only 1% of Seaspiracy is true, or if the numbers are off by 99%, the fact remains that we can live perfectly healthily without animal based foodstuff. The only moral and simplest solution is for privileged Westerners to go vegan.

Hahahaha, yeah, simplest solution is for everyone to go vegan. Totally reasonable and achievable.

I don't think it's achievable, most people would rather not inconvenience themselves, but why is not a reasonable thing to consider? It's stupidly easy to be vegan in a first world country.

Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by s_dev »

wongarsu wrote: post #35
s_dev wrote: post #14

My single biggest takeaway from watching it was that there is no "sustainable industrial fishing" despite every political advocacy group stating that as a bullet point "eat sustainable fish" to helping biodiversity and fish stocks. Basically unless the a dude has a fishing rod and is catching his own dinner it's unsustainable. Those boys over at impossbile burger better be whipping up some fish substitutes because I…

Fish raised in a fish farm is reasonably sustainable, especially those raised in lakes.

>Fish raised in a fish farm is reasonably sustainable

It's not though -- thats the myth to be debunked. Also the parasites were disgusting -- farmed fish are slowly being eaten alive -- for every four salmon produced only 1 makes to the chopping board for human consumption. The others succumb to the parasites and are simply discarded creating their own pollution problems.

I didn't know this before the documentary. He covers advanced countries like Norway and Japan as well. So this isn't like some developing country who can't even get onboard with human rights or international law.

Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by arbitrage »

elias94 wrote: post #44
slightwinder wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so why don't try to explain it to us? Maybe they do and nobody is listening? The crux with complicate topics is that oversimplification can lead to wrong conclusions. So experts are always eager to avoid the point that leads to the wrong direction and are careful with their explanations. The question is whether cowspiracy and seaspiracy turned in the wrong direction or whether the critics are just to cautious.

> Maybe they do and nobody is listening? Exactly why we need something like seaspiracy. Overfishing, coral reef deaths, and all the others problems are real and if not for George Monbiot, David Attenborough and similar figures, they would all remain hidden to the large public.

hey netflix PR plant person.

> exactly why we need something like seaspiracy.

scientists have been preaching this sermon for fifty years. a pithy pop-'science' crypto-vegan documentary is not going to fix this problem. we don't need to disguise complex issues as infotainment.

Re: Is Netflix's Seaspiracy film right about fishing damaging oceans?

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Post by l-lousy »

dcwca wrote: post #48

I watched that documentary and had a good laugh at how poorly made it was. The filmmaker starts out by revealing that he just loves the ocean and wanted to make a film about it but didn’t know what the topic should be. The arc of the film is him googling for things, gaining the most basic perspective on an issue, pivoting his film toward it, and then failing to get any good interviews or original footage. So funny. H…

Naming - because the same guy also made cowspiracy.

Quality - I would say it was pretty illuminating on a lot of issues that almost nobody here will get to see first hand.

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