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Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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post #158

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> — DO THEY TELL YOU IT WOULD TAKE TOO MUCH TIME TO REPLACE WITH PROPER APPS? This might be just me and my professional circle, but we understand "app" as a toy that runs on a phone. Apps, by definition, are never "proper". We would never replace Excel with an APP. We might replace Excel with a "program" or a "system", or even a "framework".

What you may not know, is that a lot of people use Excel as an app container.

You mean, I already had a Docker in 1997?

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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post #158

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What you may not know, is that a lot of people use Excel as an app container.

You mean, I already had a Docker in 1997?

Pretty much. In all seriousness, it was used a bit like that.

I know of a bank who set up excel "farms". You'd start a bunch of computers somewhere. Send them a spreadsheet. Have Excel open them and run some macros. Get back the results. They would do it to calculate various scenarios that took a long time to run.

That was 2007...

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you may not know, is that a lot of people use Excel as an app container.

You mean, I already had a Docker in 1997?

One could day Excel was /is an ok-ish database builder with integrated editor and real time output.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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One of the things I've learnt is the size of your audience doesn't matter - at least not initially.

What is much more important is that the messaging you use cuts through the noise. That means they read the half sentence of your headline and think "I need that".

You have literally four or five words to show them that you 1) understand their problem, 2) know it's a problem that they NEED solving and 3) have the solution they've been waiting for.

The rest of your copy just consolidates this initial impression. And without that "I MUST HAVE IT" initial reaction the biggest audience in the world is a waste of time.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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Who is this product for? The majority of expert Excel users in a company, do not know how to code. The majority of people that in a company are coding (for whatever aim) are never asked to produce business reports from excel. People who need the report (management) do not care how easy or complex it is to create it. Airtable is (somewhat) successful because it allowed a vast group of people with limited excel knowledge to create good looking reports with a simple visual interface. I think your app just gives people who know how to use (coders) it something they don't need (excel reports), or gives people who would need it (analysts, controllers, managers) something they would be scared to use (too much coding!!). So nobody is really going to bother management with the request to try it and buy it.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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The premise as I read it from the website was "You have a problem with tool X, replace it with tool Y." Why would I do this, I know tool X, everyone uses X if we need to move from tool X there's DBs and web apps, tool Y is a total unknown with no clear benefit.

Other issues: There was no Linux option for download so I can't try it & it's an electron app meaning there very well could be.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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post #137

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Yes, I am a 10y+ finance excel-based app developer. In short: - sheets cant be audited - too many formulae - not webable It’s inherently unsafe to run apps on Excel. Yet, people are more productive with Excel than with any other platform.

Can you be more specific on what you mean by "audited" ? What does "too many formulae" mean? Like what is a specific example? What does "not webable" mean?

audited as in "version controlled". In Excel, if you insert a column somewhere, all the cells move, and all the formulae change, so it's really hard to spot the differences between two versions of the same sheet.

In excel, a lot of operations are "atomic", they work on numbers. If you get data in a table, and then want to operate on that data, you have to copy over the formula for each row in the table. Now, what happens is that sometimes, someone will need to change one of the n formulae, for some specific reason, and then forget that they left the change there. So suddenly, the data that's output by the sheet is garbage, cause someone screwed up. And since the sheet can't be diffed between versions, nobody can easily notice what had happened.

Not webable means that people now like to have things available online. I guess this is not true for Office 365, but a lot of people I am talking about rely on technologies that are not compatible with office 365 (COM stuff for instance)

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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I don't understand the problem you are solving. Usually when this is the case it also means you don't really know what problem you are solving. You haven't planned to reach out to people to sell your software so I guess you are targeting individual people, and not ceo or cto who don't have time. So you have two problems, you have not figure out what is your target audience and who you are selling to Take a paper and…

Thanks for your feedback. I’ve changed the message. There are a few ways to market the idea. Trying to find the most effective one.

I'm not sure you understood what I was trying to say. You should not rush to make a change to your website, this is something you need to think thoroughly.

You can contact me by mail if you want (We surprisingly did the same school :))

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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Ok, you have hit the reality of most startup enthusiasts. Most of us when starting are without much connections and of course no big marketing budgets.

How to go from here? If you truly believe it solves a real problem, then proceed.

First we need some customers and serve them individually on this tool. One customer at a time; each one will give you amazing joy because you were giving up on it.

One nice way for this is to search for jobs/projects on freelancing sites like Upwork, that are looking to "build me tool that takes excel file as input and let me do this and that", something like that.

Pitch them that you can do it for fraction of the price with an existing tool you've built.

It's time consuming, because you'll bid and may not here from many, but you can see those are real customers with problems looking for similar solutions.

I built https://ASPSecurityKit.net v1 back in 2013, after I saw a project on upwork asking to build user registration/management workflow.

I already had pieces of it figured out in my client projects, but there was no impulse to package it up and offer it as an independent product.

I built a pre-launch page, talking about what I'M going to build and collected 70 odd emails from HN folks, thinking some of them will buy upon launch.

Worked hard for 1.5 months on coding, packaging, docs etc. and launched but nobody bought from that email list or HN right away.

I was in a job then (at Microsoft) and didn't spend much time on marketing after launch as nobody bought.

1st month: nothing. 2nd month: nothing. Latter half of the 3rd month: first sale while I was on a sort of vacation/WFH!

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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I have recently built a product( https://www.buyitforquality.com/ ) to test how easy/hard it is to get new customers. It is REALLY hard. Even if you are willing to spend money on Google Ads, the result may not be satisfactory. Given the popularity of this post, I'm wondering why no one is building a solution for cheap and efficient marketing. Building products essentially is to solve people's pain points. We need a b…

just checked your website and here's a tip - there's no way I found that I could limit the scope to a general area - i.e. kitchen appliances.
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