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Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by yoz-y »

tumblewit wrote: post #15
chubs wrote: post #6

Somewhat related: I'm super curious if M1's advantages would melt away if Intel simply fabbed their current designs on TSMC's 5nm process, to have a level playing field between Intel and Apple's chip designers.

There is still the problem of ARM being superior. You can’t put a “low power” x86 5nm chip in a phone right now and expect it to be on par with the iPhone. edit: also don’t forget intels fabs are actually better than tsmc when nodes are the same

> also don’t forget intels fabs are actually better than tsmc when nodes are the same

They haven’t been on the same node size for quite a while though. I wonder if this will be true in the future. Intel has a problem because even if they catch up and for some reason TSMC will be blocked at 5nm, TSMC will still have a multi year experience and will be able to improve the 5nm process.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by presentation »

strange_things wrote: post #20

This is very anecdotal but every single laptop I have bought in the last 10 years (4) worked perfectly out-of-the box with either Linux Mint or Ubuntu (which are the same on the inside). I only vaguely remember once I had to change some conf file for my trackpad to work after a dist update but that was it. Not sure why everyone in this thread is so hesitant about Linux on a laptop? It literally just works (tm) for me…

I'm on this M1 Macbook since it has both blazing fast performance and 20+ hours of battery life at the same time. No hardware on the market compares.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by ohgodplsno »

gspr wrote: post #47
ohgodplsno wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got a Dell with an integrated GPU as well as a GTX1660. The laptop's display is hooked to the igpu, the HDMI to the GTX. Problems that have happened with Linux, in no particular order: * Bumblebee/Optimus is a pain in the ass to install * Performance on the second screen with Optimus is dreadful (sub 30Hz refresh rate) * Being an NVidia card, I have the choice between Nouveau which can only put it into its low power…

I have a very similar Dell. I'm not sure it fits your use case, but I just run on the Intel graphics with the nvidia one powered down and no nvidia drivers installed. The Intel card runs multi-monitor 4K desktop stuff smooth as silk (I use Wayland, but I checked X too). Whenever I need to run CUDA stuff (my only use case for the nvidia GPU), I power it up, and pass it through to a VM that also runs Linux, but with th…

I'd be curious to see your setup, purely because I have never found a way to have the iGPU handle the HDMI output. It seems it's directly soldered to the Nvidia card.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by Osiris »

strange_things wrote: post #20

This is very anecdotal but every single laptop I have bought in the last 10 years (4) worked perfectly out-of-the box with either Linux Mint or Ubuntu (which are the same on the inside). I only vaguely remember once I had to change some conf file for my trackpad to work after a dist update but that was it. Not sure why everyone in this thread is so hesitant about Linux on a laptop? It literally just works (tm) for me…

I have a System76 laptop that comes preinstalled with Linux.

Everything graphics related is crap compared to Windows and MacOS. From Optimus not working to all kinds of high DPI issues, to the ease of not completely breaking things with a bad driver update.

It's not really Linux's fault, but it affects the user experience for sure.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by astrange »

ginko wrote: post #80
fxtentacle wrote: post #42

I sincerely hope that one day, Linux GUI land will receive similar amounts of work as the kernel. While it's great that we can boot it on pretty much every device out there, I would much prefer if it was a viable Windows alternative on a few devices instead. Just yesterday, I plugged an external screen into my Ubuntu laptop. And then I had to duck-duck for like an hour to figure out how to make the fonts large enough…

Anecdotal I know, but I very recently got a macbook air after years of practically exclusively using Linux and the opinionated user interface drives me crazy. Here's a few pain points: - Scroll direction can only be set globally so either touchpad or mouse scrolling feels awkward for me - You need an extra click on another window before you can interact with it - No focus-follows-mouse (there used to be 3rd party plu…

macOS does have mouse-following interaction in some situations. If you move the mouse over a background window, you can scroll it with the trackpad/wheel. You can't click on things or type in it because that's dangerous and would make people afraid to accidentally touch the mouse in case they move it.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by Osiris »

mike_pol wrote: post #53
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can live without the fingerprint reader. It’s the lack of hibernate that really sucks. I got my 2013 MBA battery replaced. Leave it unplugged for 10 hours. 1% battery drop. XPS 17 on Pop OS LTS with kernel 5.8. I have to shut down if I want battery left.

Had the same problem with mine. You need to change the sleep mode. You need to change sleep to mem_sleep_default=deep

I found it much more difficult. I had to move my swap partition into the LUKS partition so it was encrypted, resize it to be much bigger than the default then figure our how to have the RESUME=disk-uuid boot flag enabled for EFI boot. I got it working but it was quite time consuming.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by jmkni »

ginko wrote: post #80
fxtentacle wrote: post #42

I sincerely hope that one day, Linux GUI land will receive similar amounts of work as the kernel. While it's great that we can boot it on pretty much every device out there, I would much prefer if it was a viable Windows alternative on a few devices instead. Just yesterday, I plugged an external screen into my Ubuntu laptop. And then I had to duck-duck for like an hour to figure out how to make the fonts large enough…

Anecdotal I know, but I very recently got a macbook air after years of practically exclusively using Linux and the opinionated user interface drives me crazy. Here's a few pain points: - Scroll direction can only be set globally so either touchpad or mouse scrolling feels awkward for me - You need an extra click on another window before you can interact with it - No focus-follows-mouse (there used to be 3rd party plu…

> - You need an extra click on another window before you can interact with it

I don't have this issue, I can interact with a window just by hovering over it with the mouse pointer

> - If you're running multiple displays macos for some reason always picks the most awkward display to open new windows in

You can set the default display in the settings (under arrangement, drag the white bar to the display you want to make the default)

Agree about the other issues though.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by stepbeek »

Will this have an impact of tools that depend on linux like docker on mac? Maybe android emulation? If so, then I'm super excited for it.

I'm using an m1 macbook air right now and it's the first compelling mac laptop for me since 2015. It's absolutely amazing. But for any workload that uses docker, my linux desktop is streets ahead.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by unixhero »

strange_things wrote: post #20

This is very anecdotal but every single laptop I have bought in the last 10 years (4) worked perfectly out-of-the box with either Linux Mint or Ubuntu (which are the same on the inside). I only vaguely remember once I had to change some conf file for my trackpad to work after a dist update but that was it. Not sure why everyone in this thread is so hesitant about Linux on a laptop? It literally just works (tm) for me…

Yes it always works nowadays, and has been working for a long long time... Complainers are fanboys who want to nitpick.

Re: Initial M1 support merged into Linux SoC tree

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Post by achempion »

strange_things wrote: post #20

This is very anecdotal but every single laptop I have bought in the last 10 years (4) worked perfectly out-of-the box with either Linux Mint or Ubuntu (which are the same on the inside). I only vaguely remember once I had to change some conf file for my trackpad to work after a dist update but that was it. Not sure why everyone in this thread is so hesitant about Linux on a laptop? It literally just works (tm) for me…

It's a really fun how every thread that mentions how linux is ready for desktop got filled with bunch of low level driver configurations.
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