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Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#121
Thanks everyone for the great advice. So far what I take away from this is:

1. People who do download the app are completely lost. This is a major screw up that needs to be addressed asap.

2. I am not very good at marketing. Getting a cofounder who is would be a simpler way forward. Otherwise I need to crank up my skills there, or pay people to do this.

3. Changing the website to specifically target CEOs/CFOs produced strong reactions. This was intentionally bold. Not sure what to do with this.

4. I need to at least give people a comparison to other tools in the field.

5. Be more aggressive in chasing potential customers. Paid ads, linkedin campaigns and other user acquisition mechanisms work.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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Noted. I think that’s likely the first thing to do. ie. that when a person’s interested enough to download the tool, they actually get to understand the basics of what it does... Sorry for wasting your time. In a nutshell: - cells are code blocks that form a directed acyclic graph (like cells in Excel) - cells can have a name (v=10) that can referenced in other cells (w=10*v) - the whole thing is not exactly javascri…

I would say that you have to define your audience. You have 4 possible level of users. There are people in the middle, of course, but these are your big groups: 1. IT/programmers (like you) 2. Advanced analysts (that are not afraid of Excel formulas, but barely scratch macros) 3. The report clickers (their concept of running a report is clicking on an icon and refreshing; if anything fails they run in panic) 4. The l…

Right. This “CEO” story was a test I made yesterday. From a blander “build internal reports fast” kind of message.

It clearly produces stronger reactions. In smaller organizations, CTOs often are of type 1, so I am not exactly certain that the message wouldn’t land. Though I agree it is a weird approach.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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Thank you for the honesty. This is very valuable feedback. It’s very hard to find a way to convey what’s different... i’ll keep trying

I particularly appreciate comparison pages to other products (even if they are clearly biased). How does this product differ from Tableau / Metabase? Or perhaps there's a different competitor to compare to. It helps me understand exactly what the product does and why I should want to use it.

To expand, the big 3 players (that I know) in the analytics are Tableau (simple things are easy, complex stuff is near impossible using the desktop app alone), Spotfire (simple stuff is not super easy, but with the desktop client the sky is the limit, as it comes with R, IronPython and JavaScript by default), and PowerBI (very powerful too, but I don't know it well).

However, these 3 solutions are screen-based. They are designed to be interactive and be consumed in the monitor.

Another user here made a comparison to Crystal Reports. The last time that I used it, Crystal Reports was a picture-perfect page reporting tool. While you can consume it on the screen too (of course), reports are designed to be printed in specific paper page size (letter, checks, etc). This is not bad. It is just different, and a very scarce feature nowadays, as most applications are leaving this functionality out. Cognos ReportNet and Business Objects are also picture-perfect reporting tools that try to do too many things and don't do anything particularly well. That's why the visualizations tool like Tableau and simple picture-perfect reporting tools Crystal Reports are eating the market. You need to understand your niche.

On your comparison, you need to explain how can people connect to a database. Once connected, what in-app support do you provide to help the non-programmer user join a few tables and limit records (WHERE) based on values, if any.

Are the visualizations interactive? If yes, how selecting interesting data points in one visualization will highlight data points or rows in another visualization? Before implementing, make sure that there's no active patent for this. I was curious that this basic feature exists in Spotfire, but not in Tableau. But then I remembered a presentation from the Spotfire inventor showcasing this functionality when he was a student in the University of Maryland about 15 years ago. Maybe he patented it.

Will I be able to transform data (change table shape or derive new transformed table from the tables that were requested from the database (client processing)? If yes, you should highlight that. Regular Tableau installation cannot do it, but Spotfire can, and I think that PowerBI can do it too.

Can you create HTML/CSS dashboards? Can you import pictures to act as buttons? Can you create a map of and office campus to let me click on buildings to get statistics?

How about world maps?

And, since you are talking about cell based visualizations, have you evaluated what Smartsheets can do in this field. I know people how do awesome visualizations using Smartsheets. There's also Airtable, but I don't think that it is competitive with Smartsheets in visualizations (I might be wrong).

The current tools are very featured. You can find a niche, but you might have to level the playing game in term of features with the existing tools in order to be gain the user mind share.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#124

You may not like Excel but most people who "NEED A QUICK ANALYSIS FOR YOUR BUSINESS" (to quote your copy from https://www.jigdev.com ) rely on it. I think you have a solution in search of problem. Showing it to more people is not the answer. Adding features only helps when you have someone who has a clear point of dissatisfaction with Excel. Who is so dissatisfied with Excel that they will take the time to install an…

Ah, I myself am what they call an Excel wiz. I’ve been building all kinds of tools with excel since I started working in finance in 2007.

Excel has been both a miracle and a curse. We could make super complex apps in hours, but these were insanely unsafe. People would leave typos all over the place, and there was zero way to audit changes.

This is THE major reason for this tool to exist.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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> CEO OR CTO? > NEED A QUICK ANALYSIS FOR YOUR BUSINESS? Coming to this site for the first time I had no idea what your were talking about. If I had come randomly I would have left right away. 2 recommendations: 1) Put a one sentence literal no marketing description of your product at the top so I know what it does, maybe " Jig: A programmable tool for generating metrics for startups" or whatever it is. 2) Use full s…

Thanks for the advice

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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You are marketing toward the wrong person in the company, and I'm not sure how to fix it because: In a big/medium company, business analysts do this work. A business analyst doesn't know javascript. They use Excel. The javascript devs know how to make charts themselves. That's why nobody came. :)

I know!

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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> What would have most impact in getting the app in front of people? Can't it be web-based? I'd like to try it, but I'm on Linux. I mean - Linux certainly isn't your problem, but not being web-based probably doesn't help.

Sorry. I am actually working on Linux... i just didn’t create the packages for it, as it’s more work to maintain and probably not very useful business-wise...

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#128

Yeah, I got to front page of hacker news but I'm only getting 80 unique users per day on my website. Through there are now also 200 unique bots per day. (Where do all these internet bots come from?)

Yeah, I got a load of those bots too. Not sure if it's the same as yours but from what I can see in the system log, most appear to look for vulnerabilies by trying to access places like '/admin' or '/passwd'.

Thankfully a RewriteRule in .htaccess catches most of these although I can't help think if there's anything else I missed, security related. :\

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#129

Maybe use a "happier" example than COVID cases on your landing page? Something that people aren't depressed to see go up? Seeing a graph of COVID trending upwards is going to put potential users into a negative mindset immediately, not something you want when they are learning about your new product. It's definitely low-hanging fruit for "everyone knows what this is and why you might want metrics on it" but I'd try a…

d—b could do CoVID, but with vaccination adoption.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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> "Build it and they will come" doesn't work anymore. Did it ever? I feel like this omits the mechanism for people to get to know there is something to come to and reasons for them to come. Not sure why this saying really exists. If someone builds a pile of garbage, I won't come, even if I knew about it, and I definitely won't be telling other people about it either. EDIT: so the phrase is a variation on some phrase…

The saying from the movie Field of Dreams, wherein a mentally ill man hallucinates a voice telling him to build a baseball field for ghosts. The quote is only applicable to people who are building baseball fields for ghosts.

I have visited that specific baseball diamond in the corn fields of Iowa and it's pretty much a ghost town, so I don't think it works even then.
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