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uh yeah, those things are absolutely social media as well

Usenet seemed more social than HN, as I remember it from the 1990s. You'd go back to the same groups, and see the same people posting. On HN, I don't usually see any name I remember.

I regularly see names I remember on HN: tptacek, pron, dragonwriter, lmm, coldtea, etc.

It's not exactly the same as contacts on Facebook, though it's closer to Reddit. Definitely social media.

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A large amount of it is micro plastics from car tyres.

aren't care tires rubber and steel and not "plastics"?

Plastic is kind of a terrible word: people often just use it to mean any squishy organic material.

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I've seen wooden handcrafted versions of this and thought: "Cute, I guess there might be niche market for it". Chunks of useless throwaway plastic that will end up polluting our oceans, not so cute.

yea. I don't think it's a guy trying to make money with a cute joke that's to blame for global pollution. You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm not trolling you, but i doubt these guys are making millions of their product. They simply want to live. We shouldn't be punishing them for the sins of the Great Polluters.

We all "simply want to live". Not having microplastics in everything, everything we eat, everything we drink, etc, etc, goes a long way towards that.

I'm not "punishing them for the sins of the Great Polluters", I'm just expressing an opinion on a public forum. Sadly, the only way we have to change the behavior of "the Great Polluters" is showing them we care.

I see enough plastic garbage on our beaches, I try to minimize my own plastic waste and will call people out on it. It may not change the world, but it are the only tools I have.

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I prefer my Palm phone[0]. It is so tiny I can't really DO anything with it unless it is a legit emergency. But when I do need it, there is wifi, cell, browser, google maps, and gps. The "life mode" is fantastic, no calls or notifications at all until you unlock the screen. Combined with a really short battery life when the screen is on, it is the perfect daily driver for me and my outdoors lifestyle. Also charges in…

I wish there was a tiny 4G LTE phone with the same form as mid-2000s nokia: a screen just big enough to read texts on and most of the space occupied by physical buttons for dialing. Preferably with a firmware that is never expected to be updated.

I think you still want an OS that is updated, if only for security reasons.

I'm using a Nokia 2720 Flip (https://phonesstorekenya.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Noki...), a phone from a line of those old-time phones: big physical buttons, 4 directional keys. It runs KaiOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS) a recent OS that targets low-end "dumbphones" but still gives them modern functionalities. Most are unneeded in the context of the thread (Facebook, Ok Google) but some might be useful (there's Whatsapp if you really need it, emails)

There's a list of devices that are sold with it in the wiki page. It's primarily targeted at emergent markets but you definitely can buy them. Bonus: because they're simple, they're cheaper

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post #144

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I wish there was a tiny 4G LTE phone with the same form as mid-2000s nokia: a screen just big enough to read texts on and most of the space occupied by physical buttons for dialing. Preferably with a firmware that is never expected to be updated.

I think you still want an OS that is updated, if only for security reasons. I'm using a Nokia 2720 Flip ( https://phonesstorekenya.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Noki... ), a phone from a line of those old-time phones: big physical buttons, 4 directional keys. It runs KaiOS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS ) a recent OS that targets low-end "dumbphones" but still gives them modern functionalities. Most are unnee…

Thanks! That Nokia 2720 Flip looks pretty decent. It's certainly the best I've seen so far. It's too bad it runs a full featured operating system and the applications are web/js based. That's a no go for me.

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HN is social media.

> HN is social media. Strongly disagree. Social media is where one shares ones social life (it's in the name!). HN, like many other sites dating back to the days of USENET, is a subject discussion forum; in HN case, a technical / IT discussion forum. Granted, there are sometimes crossovers between the two, but HN certainy isn't one of them.

I still crave (you)s on HN. Even though HN has no notifications or inbox. I still check my threads frequently to see if anyone has replied to me. Maybe you are happy using throw-aways and shouting into the void, but I think that is a minority.

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Someone reading a book at a coffee shop probably doesn't want to be bothered by someone asking about it.

It’s fun watching people raised in a world where all communication happens on a screen dismissing the things people used to do to communicate as impossible. I do it myself. Even though I spent half my life in a word where the only way to talk to a friend was to pick up a phone and dial their number, today’s Jason recoils violently from the idea of doing something so rude and invasive as that. So just in case: in a pr…

> So just in case: in a previous world, sitting in a prominent place doing superficial activity such as reading, smoking, or looking at a phone screen was a signal that one was open to casual conversation.

That's not universally true. To my understanding, places like Nordic countries (Sweden, Finland), Japan, and Russia have historically had cultures that don't encourage randomly walking up to strangers and striking up a conversation.

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I wish there was a tiny 4G LTE phone with the same form as mid-2000s nokia: a screen just big enough to read texts on and most of the space occupied by physical buttons for dialing. Preferably with a firmware that is never expected to be updated.

I think you still want an OS that is updated, if only for security reasons. I'm using a Nokia 2720 Flip ( https://phonesstorekenya.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Noki... ), a phone from a line of those old-time phones: big physical buttons, 4 directional keys. It runs KaiOS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS ) a recent OS that targets low-end "dumbphones" but still gives them modern functionalities. Most are unnee…

> I think you still want an OS that is updated, if only for security reasons.

The trick is to make it simple enough there is nothing to update. I still have and use my 2006 Motorola Razr (also have a Palm phone). Of course the razr doesn't get updates but there's nothing to update. It can't run any external code, it can't connect to anything and no sensitive data ever enters or exits it. So, it's the perfect phone.

I'd pay anything for a new phone just like the Razr but with 4G or later, zero additional features. Only reason I also have the Palm phone is that 2G doesn't work everywhere anymore so I need a backup.

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News, asynchronous communication, and other media have a payoff structure not unlike a slot machine's. It can be genuinely hard to determine whether one's consumption of any of them is irrational.

I forgot who said checking notifications is like pulling the slot machine lever, but it's an apt comparison.

Sounds like a Douglas Rushkoff-ism.

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I think you still want an OS that is updated, if only for security reasons. I'm using a Nokia 2720 Flip ( https://phonesstorekenya.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Noki... ), a phone from a line of those old-time phones: big physical buttons, 4 directional keys. It runs KaiOS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS ) a recent OS that targets low-end "dumbphones" but still gives them modern functionalities. Most are unnee…

Thanks! That Nokia 2720 Flip looks pretty decent. It's certainly the best I've seen so far. It's too bad it runs a full featured operating system and the applications are web/js based . That's a no go for me.

To be honest as a user you don't see the difference with 2000s-era featurephones: the UX is the same (same kind of menus, same D-pad navigation, same slowness here and there ...). You don't have any idea it's all a bunch of javascript files; it's not like you have ad-ridden bloated sluggish websites.

As a user I don't believe it matters that much what OS or what language you're using as long as it's stable and functional. KaiOS definitely fits the bill

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